Hello,
I would suggest to create one common category for Germany, and specific categories for the
states each with in those categorynames at least the state (like Hessen, etc) mentioned.
Greetings - Romaine
--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Kilian Kluge <kilian(a)k-kluge.de> wrote:
From: Kilian Kluge <kilian(a)k-kluge.de>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Top level Commons categories per country
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
<wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:11 AM
Hi Jane,
in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names for essentially
the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural heritage monuments),
some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage monuments"), some have
both, some differentiate between three or four categories... It's already a bit
confusing on de-wp, where as a result the lists for each state have different naming
schemes, and I doubt that it'd be helpful to carry this to Commons.
Kilian
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty important and
impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that Bas addressed also need follow
up, but let's tackle these categories first.
This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the top level category
(see the email from Bas):Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDsCategory:Onroerend erfgoed
with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known
IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs)
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known IDCategory:Rijksmonumenten with
known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDsCategory:Cultural
heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs
Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDsCategory:Cultural heritage
monuments in Wallonia with known IDs
I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, because they are
using the terms that are covered by law in their country. The other categories should be
renamed to reflect the legal term in those countries. My reasons are as follows:
1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in any
country's wikipedia.2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a
government agency and is covered by the European Council's international law on
cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need the formal name of
the designation.
3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why have a strangely named
top-level category that no one understands (including English-speakers)?4) When we make
interwiki links to these things we should be consistent across all countries.
I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German Wikipedia, where the
top level category for the Austrian monuments is "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in
Österreich)", when I fully expected it to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes
Objekte". On Commons I would expect "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with
known IDs", and in the English Wikipedia, I named it
"Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte".
Jane
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