Jaremy / WLM,

We definitely want to discourage the emailing around of passwords! It is a violation of our TOU [1], and a bad idea in general.

I'm heading up the OAuth development effort currently. We're in the planning phase right now, but plan to have it implemented this summer. This is what many sites (including Flickr) have implemented to allow their users to grant another application access to a certain function, but not share full access to their account. The OAuth token is like a valet key-- it only allows the application to perform particular functions (like upload a file) on your behalf, and it can be revoked at any time.

I hate to stifle innovation-- hopefully it can either wait until we get oauth finished, or we can find another way.

Chris


[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_(2012)/en#5._Password_Security

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Jeremy Baron <jeremy@tuxmachine.com> wrote:
Hi Jane,

[note, all my uses of "password" below refer to the primary or most
privileged password for a given username/website combination]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's interesting to read here that Flickr already has something like this
> with an upload key. I wonder how secure that is?

That's akin to an API key, not a password. Very likely can't be used
by HTTP and can't be used to log in to their account.

It mitigates or maybe eliminates the risk of the user losing control
of their account or leaking details from what's already stored on
their account. (e.g. private pics or profile details. assuming the
email interface is write only, no read interface provided)

Email is not secure. period. end of story. no need to discuss any
further. (let's assume the lowest common denominator. there's a lot of
poorly configured MTAs out there) If it's something that would be very
bad to leak (or even something a little bad if you can manage to
deliver it some other way) then email should not be used. (or should
be limited somehow)

> When it comes down to it, I
> think only experienced Wikipedians really care if their Commons passwords
> get compromised.

I'm ~99.996% against any possibility of supporting cleartext password
authentication by sending emails. Also, If this were done by WLM
(rather than as a service run by the WMF directly) then I think it
would be a violation of the WMF TOS (or the new TOU). But that needs
double checking. IMHO, any thoughts of transmitting cleartext
passwords by email idea needs to be killed and buried and never
mentioned again.

Surely there are other approaches to authentication/attribution (I've
even proposed some myself in the WLM IRC channel and other people
there have commented about it too), let's make some other way work.

-Jeremy