Hi,

that sounds like a nice feature request. But at the same time, it seems more important to me to have a good working tool than to have it perfect :) 

Adding a description sounds rather complicated to me, if you consider that the description is changed often over the course of the contest, which conflicts with the judge-on-the-fly that was suggested for some other countries. Also the descriptions can be very short or very long, language dependent and could be in the list instead of in the image. 

I would suggest to not bother about the descriptions actually, except for the last stage of the competition. When we're talking about thousands of images, no way that the jury will be able to read all those descriptions (and if they insist for a particular photo, they can open the file description page). For the last stage of your judging, when you have about 50 photos left, you could perhaps implement this though - if not in the tool, you could do it manually with an hour of work (which means that if it is complicated to do that in the tool, it should simply not be done in the tool) and do the judging of the final 50 outside the tool. 

The usefulness of the tool is primarily in the first phases - getting the huge amount of photos down to a sizable amount. 

Lodewijk


2013/8/21 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli@gmail.com>
A simple comment, but I think that it may be helpful.

I have been in the coordination of the jury of WM CH last year and what has been really missed in the tool of the jury of last year was the *description* of the photo.

I think that the description is really important mainly to evaluate the importance of the photo and to give to the photographer the possibility to explain his experience.

The jury without the description can evaluate an image and not a photo, and they miss something really important.

If we reduce the photo contest to a paranoic pushing the button to take picture, the value of the contest is a lot decreased.

During the final ceremony we invited people to describe *their experience and what they tried to communicate in the picture* and we discovered that a simple picture has been a big experience for some participants because they described the difficulties to take the picture but also we discovered that some pictures have been peculiar because they took some monuments in general closed to the public.

For instance I remember a picture of a wall in the campaign of the French Swiss, the jury has evaluated it not so important but I found it fantastic because it was evident the technic of construction of celtic people. Basically the photo had a really *high descriptive value* and in my opinion this is the main value because we have to use these photos for an encyclopedia and not to produce calendars or presents for Christmas time.

Regards



On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:16 PM, David Narvaez <david.narvaez@computer.org> wrote:
Hi,

I recorded this video of the workflow of configuring and starting to
use the jury tool. Unfortunately, at the time of that recording
several things had not been implemented yet, which I'll detail in the
list below.

http://wlm.wmflabs.org/wlmjurytoolworkflow.ogv

The workflow after installing the tool using the steps mentioned in
the other thread is more or less as follows:

1. Select the number of rounds of your contest. This is, how many
times will the jury go over the pics

2. For each round you will be presented with a screen to configure the
options for that round. Then, for instance, if you configured your
contest to be of 3 rounds in step 1, you will see 3 configuration
screens in this step.

2.1 For each round you can select whether you want that to be an open
round or an invitational round. An open round means anybody can create
an account in your tool, and go over the pics. An invitational round
means only certain accounts in your tool will be able to go over the
pics of this round. Pending in my TODO list is a configuration option
to specify what accounts are invited to that round.

2.2 For each round you can select what type of scores will be used.
Binay score means Yes/No, while Star-based gives the jury a 5-stars
range to pic for each photo.

2.3 [Not in the video] For each round you can select what the scoring
policy will be. You can pick between the following options: All photos
are scored exactly once and All photos are scored by at least x
juries. Obviously, if you have an invitational round of 5 juries, then
configuring this round so that All photos are scored by at least 5
juries means All photos are scored by all juries.

2.4 For each round you can select the input of that round. Input may
be a category in commons, or a selection of the photos from the
previous round, or a plain text file containing the name of the photos
in commons. Whatever you pic here will be used to show a configuration
screen when the round is about to start.

3. Once all the information for each round is set, Round 1 is about to
start, so the tool will show a configuration screen for that. In the
video, since Round 1 was set to have a commons category as input, the
configuration screen asks for a commons category, you type the name,
and the pics from that round are loaded from the category. Had it been
configured as having input from a plain text file, the tool would have
asked for a file instead of a category in the configuration screen.

And that's it for the moment, there are some other pending things but
I think this covers most of the hassle of configuring the tool. Let me
know if you have any feedback.

David E. Narvaez

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