I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about copyright in Russia, but IMHO a Wikimedia organization should not promote fair use images, nor on Commons or by other means. Such images can not be published as winning photos, this is not a fair use, and a Wikimedia organization should not assume any legal risk on behalf of photographers. It seems to me an extension of the problem it had Wiki Loves Public Art at heart.
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Tema: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on CommonsFor the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point.
I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other lines of arguments and be more flexible with considering other solutions. Remember that at the end of the day, the Commons community is also operating based on the same basic principles and motivations as the rest of the Wikimedia community. We are in this together, and to move forward efficiently we should work together.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin <altsirlin@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Leila,______________________________
I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need the time until October 31 in order to identify and properly transfer no-FOP files. The Russian organizers really need this time. They are unable and they will not work in a different time frame. If Commons community accepts this, we are all fine. If they do not accept it, we have to say good-bye to Commons.
Sincerely,
Alexander
On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:
Hi Yaroslav and others,
I'm sorry that we are going through these current events. As a WLM organizer, I feel the pain of organizing a contest, encouraging people to participate, but then seeing or imagining their disappointment. The one thing that gives the most motivation to me is to see people succeed in doing the upload, not to see them fail. From what I read at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_ I also see some of the difficulties that the Commons community are facing. This is not a pleasant situation for anyone. We are all in this for helping people share in the sum of all knowledge. At the moment, we are distracted.requests/Files_of_User: Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_ WLM_organizers
We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part of our system. As a team of people working towards the same goal, we should investigate what has happened from the beginning to the end, understand what has gone wrong and where (no blaming of each other, simply understanding), and come up with processes for fixing the broken parts. This will help us not have to visit a similar problem again and move forward together and more efficiently.
I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion off-list to start a (postmortem) discussion. In the mean time, I ask all of you to consider the other side and treat each other with humility, trust, and respect.
Best,Leila
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod@mccme.ru> wrote:
I know. The problems are demotivation of new users and excess work for Commons admins (in this case, most likely, me) to undelete these images for transfer to the Russian Wikivoyage (and, possibly, Wikipedia).On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod@mccme.ru> wrote:
The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise WLM participants not to
use Commons anymore.
By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM anyway, since they
are copyvios.
Cruccone
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