For the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point.
I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other lines
of arguments and be more flexible with considering other solutions.
Remember that at the end of the day, the Commons community is also
operating based on the same basic principles and motivations as the rest of
the Wikimedia community. We are in this together, and to move forward
efficiently we should work together.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin <altsirlin(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Leila,
I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need the time
until October 31 in order to identify and properly transfer no-FOP files.
The Russian organizers really need this time. They are unable and they will
not work in a different time frame. If Commons community accepts this, we
are all fine. If they do not accept it, we have to say good-bye to Commons.
Sincerely,
Alexander
On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:
Hi Yaroslav and others,
I'm sorry that we are going through these current events. As a WLM
organizer, I feel the pain of organizing a contest, encouraging people to
participate, but then seeing or imagining their disappointment. The one
thing that gives the most motivation to me is to see people succeed in
doing the upload, not to see them fail. From what I read at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_
requests/Files_of_User:Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers I also
see some of the difficulties that the Commons community are facing. This is
not a pleasant situation for anyone. We are all in this for helping people
share in the sum of all knowledge. At the moment, we are distracted.
We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part of our system.
As a team of people working towards the same goal, we should investigate
what has happened from the beginning to the end, understand what has gone
wrong and where (no blaming of each other, simply understanding), and come
up with processes for fixing the broken parts. This will help us not have
to visit a similar problem again and move forward together and more
efficiently.
I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion off-list to
start a (postmortem) discussion. In the mean time, I ask all of you to
consider the other side and treat each other with humility, trust, and
respect.
Best,
Leila
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>
wrote:
On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M.
Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>
wrote:
The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise WLM participants not
to
use Commons anymore.
By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM anyway, since they
are copyvios.
Cruccone
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I know. The problems are demotivation of new users and excess work for
Commons admins (in this case, most likely, me) to undelete these images for
transfer to the Russian Wikivoyage (and, possibly, Wikipedia).
Cheers
Yaroslav
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