According to the official it is a mistake, they are not really monuments but archaeological sites although they are classified in the inventory as monuments. However his selection is not based on this argument but in order to protect homeowners and heritage sites that lack of protection in rural areas. Some examples discarded by him:
http://www.menorcaweb.net/arqueologia/menorca%20ing/arqmi82.htm
http://www.menorcaweb.net/arqueologia/menorca%20ing/arqmi55.htm
http://www.menorcaweb.net/arqueologia/menorca%20ing/arqmi234.htm
Morever, there are some coves carved on cliffs that I can hardly consider as monuments. Most of them were included in the inventory in 1966, and from 1998 they are managed by the Island Council. Probably they should review the classification as monuments or archaeological sites.
Maybe it is a good idea to add whether they are publicly accessible or in restricted areas with a warning advice.
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:42:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Provoking spolation
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
CC: vriullop@hotmail.com
Hi,
I am not sure I understand your explanation correctly, so let me try to summarize and correct me if I am wrong please.
If I understand well, you say that out of the 1000 monuments, all are real monuments, but that the government official suggests to leave out 935 of them because they are on private property - not because it is a mistake.
I agree with him that it is important to be careful about private property - this goes everywhere in Europe. We should make clear notices how to work with private property, and how to ask permission of the owner. That is more a matter of communication than a fundamental one. And even if people can't make photos, the owners could theoretically still upload a photo, so I think if they are real monuments, they could be in the list - maybe in a special header with a seperate table?
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/24 Vicenç Riullop
<vriullop@hotmail.com>
We
have encountered an unexpected problem with monuments of Minorca (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llista_de_monuments_de_Menorca). There are about 1,000 monuments,
most of them of Talayotic culture (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaiotic_Cultura), possibly with an unclear
demarcation between the categories of monument and archaeological area, two of
the categories defined for Bien de Interés Cultural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bien_de_Inter% C3% A9s_Cultural). We have contacted with the person
in charge of heritage in the island council asking for help to identify them
and locate them as the online register only contains the name and little else. His answer is that we must limit
to 65 monuments that are accessible to the public. The reason is that most are on
private lands and they want to avoid spolation. He recognizes out of the record
that most are not monuments. I think they probably lack of protection and I
know the islanders are very sensitive that tourists do not invade private
lands.
As a Wikipedian I can not accept
it. The register of monuments is
public information, monuments are protected by law, we can not redefine if a
monument should be in the arqueological area category and we can not limit the
information based on problems or interests of the administration. But from WLM viewpoint, probably
it is not appropiate causing problems and perhaps it makes nonsense to suggest participants
to go to inaccessible places to take photos of ruins or caves or to suggest them
monuments that we can not correctly identify. Moroever, the amount of 65 would be within the Spanish average.
I am confused with this. Any suggestions?
Vicenç
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