Please note that I said we should have this discussion by the end of
October, not a few months before the event.
The quality of the discussion and the success of the ongoing competition is
more important to me than how convenient it is for the budget planning of
individual chapters. They can work around this by stating for example that
they want to participate in 'one international photo competition *such as*
Wiki Loves Monuments'. There seems consensus that there will be at least
one international photo competition, so that should be safe.
The major bottle neck for organizing these competitions is not staff, is
not budget (although the lack of it can impact the quality we can deliver).
The major bottle neck is volunteers that are willing to do the work -
basically what Charles described quite vividly. Budget and staff should
support those efforts.
Lodewijk
2013/9/27 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
Let's explain why it may be important not to have
a clear picture but at
least to define the strategy for 2014... some countries are defining the
budget for 2014, mainly for FDC, and they have to define the project plan
for next year.
If WLM is not done, I suppose that there would be a general displeasure
connected with the request of budget or project plan for 2014.
The same also about reconfirmation of project managers and the working
group.
As member of GAC I would say that WLM is becoming an important and crucial
event for a lot of chapters and they plan it the year before. Around this
event there is a big planning and a decision or a "may be" can have a lot
of consequences.
I think that it's time to consider this point and to forget to manage an
event like WLM with the same parameters of an event driven by the community
and by the volunteers. Behind it there now organizations, staffs and
budgets and the requests of WMF to manage them are not so flexible as the
flexibility used to take the decision within WLM.
There is no need to have a clear picture but it may be the best to define
a general trend. If this decision will come later in the 2014, some months
before the start of the event, it may have a big impact in the planning of
chapters and may generate a lot of work.
Regards
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>wrote;wrote:
Again, I suggest we have this discussion in
October :) We still have a
lot of work to be done, and that makes it harder to be honest while keeping
up motivation too.
I'm not sure if a 'formal' evaluation process would be helpful here -
most of the measures won't be available. There will be an evaluation of WLM
internationally, but considering the timepath I don't want to wait for
that. This decision does not primarily depend on past decisions, how well
it went in the past, or even on results, but on the main bottleneck of
these events: what do the volunteers want. The only thing I can imagine to
wait for is the organizers survey that we'll be running like last year
(this is different from the participant survey organized mostly by Beat).
Lodewijk
2013/9/27 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com>
Honestly I would suggest a competition which will
not face copyright
problems.
A Wiki Loves Earth will give less problems than a Wiki Loves Arts. I
don't remember that animals or plants can ask for fee or for copyrights or
for privacy.
Some countries like Italy, for instance, will have to do a lot of
preliminary work to know if they can participate in a Wiki Loves Art.
Regards
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Àlex Hinojo <alexhinojo(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi all,
I do agree with Lodewijk. Once the contest is finished, we need to have
some calmed discussion on what do we want 2014 to be. Some contests have
raisen up and we all have pro/cons feelings and experiences.
Some options have already been raised. We could also use some of the
program evaluation techniques in order to make a deep avaluation on the
project. Sarah, can you help on this?
Regarding the Wiki Loves Public Art, I do agree that a wider Wiki Loves
Art concept could be a great idea.
So should we stat this debate formally in some wiki page once the
contest has finished?
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