We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one
has 4K monuments, the SIPA
one almost 40K. We are using both.
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On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Béria,
Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling
would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with
known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category
called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs".
Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have
subcategories for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists
outside of IGESPAR?
Jane
2011/8/2 Béria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt>
> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see
> here:
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Port…).
>
> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be
> under a "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category.
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> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <kilian(a)k-kluge.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jane,
>>
>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different
>> names for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale"
>> (cultural heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building
heritage
>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four
>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result the
>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd be
>> helpful to carry this to Commons.
>>
>> Kilian
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty
>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that Bas
>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first.
>>>
>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the
>>> top level category (see the email from Bas):
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs
>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs)
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID
>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs
>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs
>>>
>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well,
>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country.
>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those
>>> countries. My reasons are as follows:
>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere,
in
>>> any country's wikipedia.
>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a
>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's international
law
>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need
>>> the formal name of the designation.
>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why
>>> have a strangely named top-level category that no one understands (including
>>> English-speakers)?
>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be
>>> consistent across all countries.
>>>
>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German
>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is
>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully
expected it
>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would
expect
>>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the
>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes
Objekte".
>>>
>>> Jane
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