All great suggestions.
In the past the WLM international team has also maintained a database of
jurors to be backup. We had very little requests in recent years though,
probably because so many people know organizers form other countries. If
you're stuck, I would suggest to either ask someone you already know, or to
ask this list. Most likely you have a response within 48h. But don't wait
until the last minute, if you can avoid it. Jurors typically like a week to
get things done (if the country isn't huge).
Lodewijk
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:48 AM Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanineil(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you Yaroslav, I will send you a separate
email now!
Having the WLE team setting up a pool of jurors like that was so
helpful Anton. Yes, I could find the names and email other WLM organisers,
but this system took that extra work away from me - which was hugely
appreciated, especially in our first year!
On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 11:45, Anton Protsiuk <
anton.protsiuk(a)wikimedia.org.ua> wrote:
> The international WLE team this year has tried to create a database of
> jurors from different countries for local contests. We had a Google form
> for these purposes (
https://forms.gle/Pj61adjgYiE6Jn687) & asked
> local teams whether they needed help with jury.
> We haven't estimated the results yet, since the local selection
> process is still ongoing, but it seems to have worked well.
>
> Best Regards
> Anton Protsiuk
> Project Manager at Wikimedia Ukraine
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If WLM Ireland is in September I can help as a juror. If it is in
>> October this could be more difficult because I am also in the jury for
>> Russia, and there is typically a lot of work there.
>>
>> Generally, asking around (may be also on Commons) typically helps. In
>> the past I have been on jury for a few different countries. Somebody would
>> just approach me and ask.If I can make it, I agree.
>>
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <martinsb(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Rebecca!
>>>
>>> I have organized multiple WLM/WLE editions in Latvia. We have used
>>> Montage in most of them.
>>> After experiencing problems with jurors dropping out or being known
>>> at the last moment, we created new Wikimedia accounts just for the jury and
>>> sent the passwords to them.
>>>
>>> Montage allows some editing of jurors after the round has started
>>> but results can be unexpected.
>>>
>>> Mārtiņš
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:13 AM Rebecca O'Neill <
>>> rebeccanineil(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lodewijk,
>>>>
>>>> As a slight aside to this, and perhaps something that might help
>>>> ease some of the worries around judging processes in other countries,
would
>>>> it be an idea to have a pool of international WLM Wikimedia jurors that
>>>> could help judge other countries? Here in Ireland we have done this with
>>>> Malta, exchanging jurors over the past few years, and for our first WLE
>>>> this year we had Axel from Sweden be on our jury. You get the benefit of
a
>>>> fellow Wikimedian who understands the whole process, and who could bring
>>>> some different expertise or perspective to a country's WLM. Having
someone
>>>> who is completely unfamiliar with your local built heritage means they
can
>>>> assess the images with a different take than someone who knows them very
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> After 6 years, we have found it harder to recruit a jury from our
>>>> pool of active Wikimedians and relevant expert judges from the arts and
>>>> architecture sectors in Ireland. I know I would really appreciate it if
we
>>>> could "borrow" a juror from another Wikimedia group (in the
past we have
>>>> had some UK help with this too with jurors). We have suffered from
jurors
>>>> dropping out of the process at the last minute or after judging has
begun
>>>> (which results in having to restart rounds in Montage), generally it has
>>>> been those who are not Wikimedians who perhaps did not fully understand
the
>>>> commitment when they agreed. Not only is it frustrating, it's very
>>>> stressful. It may be less of an issue this year, given that the deadline
>>>> for submitting to the international jury won't be at the end of
October.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps clarify some of the issues some of the smaller
>>>> countries can face over the years of WLM!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rebecca
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 23:57, effe iets anders <
>>>> effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alexander,
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the status of Montage requests: I suggest that you start a
>>>>> separate thread on that, and would like to leave this to the
maintainers to
>>>>> respond to.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for publishing the settings: I was imagining some kind of
>>>>> log-style publication, not a near write-up. This won't be pretty,
but it
>>>>> will allow people to figure out how it worked out in practice. If we
follow
>>>>> a logical naming convention, people should be able to puzzle it
together.
>>>>> Ideally, the national organizers also publish their process on the
website,
>>>>> but this log would be a way to verify that. But I accept your note
that we
>>>>> may need to add a context explaining that more process may happen
>>>>> before/after this tool is used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:17 PM Alexander Tsirlin <
>>>>> altsirlin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Lodewijk,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage
>>>>>> jury tool, and the number of photos in each round that the
national
>>>>>> competitions have used. We're debating whether there should
be an opt-out
>>>>>> for this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is unrealistic, because jury process may involve several
>>>>>> campaigns that are later merged together (in Russia, we do it all
the time
>>>>>> in order to meet your submission deadline). Moreover, some of the
photos
>>>>>> can be accepted for the next round within Montage but excluded
later on if
>>>>>> we find that they do not depict cultural heritage. The end result
is that
>>>>>> any number you take from Montage will not match the number of
photos that
>>>>>> we publish (e.g., as a short-list). This will only lead to
confusion and
>>>>>> won't be of any use for anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you mentioned Montage, let me also ask when two important
>>>>>> pull requests, which were done by one of our team members, are
going to be
>>>>>> merged into the code:
>>>>>>
https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/169
>>>>>>
https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/175
>>>>>> These are really, really important fixes. Without them I would
>>>>>> have a problem creating new Montage campaigns in October.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Alexander
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/2/2020 11:49 PM, effe iets anders wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> over the past years, we have had various requests to encourage
>>>>>> national organizers to be transparent in their judging processes
and who
>>>>>> sits on their jury. Most of the national organizers are
currently
>>>>>> transparent about this already. In the past weeks/month, more
conversation
>>>>>> around this has continued with some concerns (valid or not) on
certain jury
>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this light, the international team intends to institute a new
>>>>>> expectation for national organizers, namely to publish the
members of their
>>>>>> jury (be it their username or real life name) at some point. We
have not
>>>>>> figured out the practical details yet, but I can imagine that
while we
>>>>>> encourage publication on the website, we would ask national
organizers to
>>>>>> add a list of jury members to their submission to the
international jury -
>>>>>> which we then will publish as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage
>>>>>> jury tool, and the number of photos in each round that the
national
>>>>>> competitions have used. We're debating whether there should
be an opt-out
>>>>>> for this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will of course apply at least the same level of transparency
>>>>>> to the international jury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before we make this decision, I would like to ask for feedback
on
>>>>>> this, and whether there are edge cases we should consider where
>>>>>> such transparency would be harmful. I'll take 1 week to
gather some
>>>>>> feedback on this, and then we'll make a final decision. You
can respond to
>>>>>> this on this mailing list, or privately to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>>
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