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De : Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
À : Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
Envoyé le : Jeudi 15 Septembre 2011 8h08
Objet : Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] New tool: rankings - v2 ready?

Hi Nuno,

my definition of a new user would be: 

* No log entries or edits on any project before their first submission 

** unless their first submission was for some reason disqualified, and now is in the log like a normal upload

** unless they made a few edits related to WLM (relevant measurable criteria: account creation after 28/8, less than 50 edits before their first upload)

Lodewijk

Am 15. September 2011 01:01 schrieb Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>:

Well, dear fellows, I just hit a definition issue. How would you
classify a "new user"?

1. A user whose registration date is before a date (01-09-2011 GMT-1)?
2. A user whose participation initiated after that date?

I'd say that the strict and technical definition would go the first
option. However, should a user with no single edit be not considered a
newbie? In Portuguese wikipedia, such a user wouldn't even be allowed to
vote....


--

Nuno Tavares
Wikimedia Portugal
http://www.wikimedia.pt

Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer.

Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt

Em 14-09-2011 22:59, Kilian Kluge escreveu:

> Thank you very much!
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt

> <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>> wrote:
>

>     Kilian,
>
>     user_is_new is now exported:
>
>     (per user)
>
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=user&ctcountry=Portugal&ctitem=user|user_is_new|n_images
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=user&ctcountry=Portugal&ctitem=user|user_is_new|n_images>
>
>     (per country)
>
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country>
>
>
>     --
>     Nuno Tavares
>     Wikimedia Portugal
>     http://www.wikimedia.pt
>
>     Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>     livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
>     estamos a fazer.
>
>     Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt
>
>     Em 14-09-2011 15:30, Kilian Kluge escreveu:
>     > Hi Nuno,
>     >
>     > is it possible to see how many pictures were uploaded by the new
>     > contributors? >60% seems impressive, but it would be very
>     interesting to
>     > see what their share is.
>     >
>     > Kilian
>     >
>     > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Nuno Tavares
>     > <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>
>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Strainu,
>     >
>     >     I've already stated that ranking.php has problems. I found
>     late some
>     >     weird behaviours from mediawiki (like Rotatebot appearing as
>     the image
>     >     uploader, which is not correct) so I had to apply some "emergency"
>     >     measures which didn't work quite well either. I didn't state
>     "new users"
>     >     which an important detail in my opinion.
>     >
>     >     That's why you probably heard about statistics v2 already:
>     >
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/api/api.php?action=statisticsct&format=html&ctscope=country>>
>     >
>     >     I believe these are nearly complete and absolutely more
>     precise. As a
>     >     consequence, everything at this URL (scope=user, dump, etc) is.
>     >
>     >     Please give me your feedback regarding the tool.
>     >
>     >     --
>     >     Nuno Tavares
>     >     Wikimedia Portugal
>     >     http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >
>     >     Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade
>     de ter
>     >     livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É
>     isso o que
>     >     estamos a fazer.
>     >
>     >     Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >
>     >     Em 13-09-2011 21:53, Strainu escreveu:
>     >     > Hi Nuno,
>     >     >
>     >     > Could you please explain the limitations of your tool?
>     >     >
>     >     > I thought you just take the last person that modified the
>     page, but
>     >     > I'm looking at
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Romania
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Romania>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Romania
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Romania>>
>     >     > and I see the following:
>     >     >
>     >     > - I have 76 files credited to my account, however
>     >     >
>     >
>     http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&user=Strainu&title=Special%3AListFiles%2FStrainu
>     <http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&user=Strainu&title=Special%3AListFiles%2FStrainu>
>     >
>     <http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&user=Strainu&title=Special%3AListFiles%2FStrainu
>     <http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&user=Strainu&title=Special%3AListFiles%2FStrainu>>
>     >     > shows that I have under 50 actually uploaded
>     >     > - I edited all but one of this user's files:
>     >     >
>     http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Adinecsoi , but
>     >     > they are still credited to her
>     >     > - I also edited several other files of this user:
>     >     > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Korinna
>     And it
>     >     > appears she is credited with less than the total number of
>     photos (as
>     >     > far as I can tell, all her uploads are in the contest)
>     >     >
>     >     > I would love if you could clarify this for me.
>     >     >
>     >     > Thanks,
>     >     >   Strainu
>     >     >
>     >     > 2011/9/5  <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>
>     >     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>>>:
>     >     >> Errmmmm, *cof* I forgot to update ~erfgoed/tools. Try again
>     >     Vicenç (and
>     >     >> Lodewijk).
>     >     >>
>     >     >> In any case, more interesting (and thorough) statistics
>     will come
>     >     during
>     >     >> this week (I hope), this was just for fun.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> -NT
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:13:17 +0000, Vicenç Riullop
>     >     <vriullop@hotmail.com <mailto:vriullop@hotmail.com>

>     <mailto:vriullop@hotmail.com <mailto:vriullop@hotmail.com>>>

>     >     >> wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Seems it doesnt work with Spain either.
>     >     >> Now,
>     >     >>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Spain
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Spain>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Spain
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=Spain>>
>     >     >> returns user Pere prlpz with 148 submissions and he doesnt
>     appear
>     >     in the
>     >     >> global list.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Anyway, good work, Nuno.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Vicenç
>     >     >>
>     >     >>> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:27:25 +0100
>     >     >>> From: nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt

>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt> <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt

>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>>
>     >     >>> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
>     <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>     >     <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
>     <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>>
>     >     >>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] New tool: rankings
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Thanks Lodewijk,
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> It had to do with bot filtering. It should be OK now.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> --
>     >     >>> Nuno Tavares
>     >     >>> Wikimedia Portugal
>     >     >>> http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade
>     >     de ter
>     >     >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É
>     isso
>     >     o que
>     >     >>> estamos a fazer.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Em 05-09-2011 07:59, Lodewijk escreveu:
>     >     >>>> Hi Nuno,
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> thanks for the work! It seems that the full overview of
>     >     uploaders is not
>     >     >>>> error free. I.e.
>     >     >>>> in
>     >     >>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=the_Netherlands
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=the_Netherlands>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=the_Netherlands
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=30&show=images|links&country=the_Netherlands>>
>     >     >>>> Spider
>     >     >>>> has now 219 uploads for NL, but
>     >     >>>> on http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php he
>     doesn't
>     >     appear
>     >     >>>> at all.
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Interesting to see by the way how some countries have
>     such higher
>     >     >>>> averages of photos per uploader :)
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Lodewijk
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Am 5. September 2011 05:02 schrieb Nuno Tavares
>     >     >>>>> :
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> I see I'm not the only statsanatic :)
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> I've commited the tool, please use the official URL:
>     >     >>>> http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Examples:
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal
>     <http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> --
>     >     >>>> Nuno Tavares
>     >     >>>> Wikimedia Portugal
>     >     >>>> http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a
>     possibilidade
>     >     de ter
>     >     >>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.
>     É isso
>     >     o que
>     >     >>>> estamos a fazer.
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>> Em 04-09-2011 21:53, M escreveu:
>     >     >>>>> Thirded, very cool!
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>> ---------------
>     >     >>>>> María Sefidari
>     >     >>>>> Wikimedia España
>     >     >>>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.es
>     >     >>>>> Mensaje enviado desde mi iTouch
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>> El 04/09/2011, a las 22:04, Jan Ainali > >
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>> escribió:
>     >     >>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> I second that, nice work!!
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> 2011/9/4 Jane Darnell <> > >jane023@gmail.com
>     <mailto:jane023@gmail.com>

>     >     <mailto:jane023@gmail.com <mailto:jane023@gmail.com>>

>     >     >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> Nuno,
>     >     >>>>>> I love it - keep the statistics coming, I like the way
>     you think!
>     >     >>>>>> Jane
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> 2011/9/4 Nuno Tavares
>     >     >>>>>> <> > >nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>

>     >     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt

>     <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> Now, the rankings per country (parameter scope):
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?&show=images|links&scope=country>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> --
>     >     >>>>>> Nuno Tavares
>     >     >>>>>> Wikimedia Portugal
>     >     >>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a
>     >     >>>> possibilidade
>     >     >>>>>> de ter
>     >     >>>>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É
>     >     >>>>>> isso o que
>     >     >>>>>> estamos a fazer.
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> Participe também:
>     >     >>>> http://www.wikimedia.pt
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> Em 04-09-2011 20:30, Nuno Tavares escreveu:
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>> Clicking on a country (Portugal):
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>>
>     >
>     http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal>
>     >
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal
>     <http://toolserver.org/~ntavares/patrimonio/tools/rankings.php?limit=10&show=images|links&country=Portugal>>
>     >     >>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>> If you notice Accepted column: for Portugal we review the
>     >     >>>>>> images and,
>     >     >>>>>>> after that, they are placed in "Reviewed images from
>     >     >>>>>> WLM...". If you
>     >     >>>>>>> have a similar approach I can tweak the script to
>     >     >>>>>> personalize it. It
>     >     >>>>>>> would be better to unify the categories' names, though...
>     >     >>>>>> Which ones are
>     >     >>>>>>> yours?
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>> PS: I didn't notice the reuploads (e.g. by Rotatebot)
>     would
>     >     >>>>>> scramble
>     >     >>>>>>> things a bit, so I excluded the bots from this - admitting
>     >     >>>>>> noone would
>     >     >>>>>>> reupload other one's image. So please report if you see
>     >     >>>>>> something in error.
>     >     >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>> -NT
>     >     >>>>>>>
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>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>>
>     >     >>>>>> --
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>     >     >>>>>> Jan Ainali
>     >     >>>>>> Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige
>     >     >>>>
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