Yes, I already figured this out trying to add images OF a building, not FROM the building.

Still, P18 could work with qualifiers, but I guess new properties is a better route. If you propose them please let me know (my account is ymblanter). Or we could have some brainstorming here.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 1:41 PM Jan Ainali <ainali.jan@gmail.com> wrote:
Den sön 31 okt. 2021 kl 10:51 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com>:
Actually, thinking more about it: views of the same building from different sides (also also from the inner yard) must be eligible as well. What would be the best practice? P8517 (view) using different qualifiers?

Not P8517, it is meant for images FROM a place, not OF a place. 

The views are obviously eligible for WLM, but it is not trivial to add them to a Wikidata item consistently right now. We might need some new properties.

/Jan
 
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Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:43 AM Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Great, thanks a lot everyone. Looks like plenty of opportunities to use the images.

Best
Yaroslav

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:40 AM Éder Porto F Alves <eder.porto@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have a list of 14 image related properties that we are considering to declare "this monument had no image at the start of the contest" in WLM Brasil:
  • P18 (image)
  • P3311 (plan view image)
  • P4291 (panoramic view)
  • P4640 (photosphere image)
  • P8517 (view)
  • P1442 (image of grave)
  • P1766 (place name sign)
  • P1801 (commemorative plaque image)
  • P3451 (nighttime view)
  • P5252 (winter view)
  • P5775 (image of interior)
  • P8592 (aerial view)
  • P9721 (image of entrance)
  • P9906 (inscription image)
We have them in a fallback relation. Video is something that we didn't consider this year, good idea! Winter view in Brazil rarely have snow, unfortunatelly, and I feel kinda "guilt" by using images taken between June and September in this property, haha.

Good contributions,
Éder Porto
De: effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
Enviado: sábado, 30 de outubro de 2021 18:32
Para: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
Assunto: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Re: WLM sessions in WIkidataCon 2021
 
It may be easier to start these tables with the UNESCO heritage sites? Those are usually pretty well photographed, and then it's more a matter of filling the gaps. 

For a lot of 'smaller' sites a bunch of these types may not be applicable (which is fine), in which case it may be nice to have some way to explicitly define 'none'. For example entrance. 

Funny that we have something for Winter view, but not for other seasons? :) Very Northern hemisphere perspective...

Lodewijk

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:08 PM Jan Ainali <ainali.jan@gmail.com> wrote:
Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 21:14 skrev Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com>:
Without looking at the table, I guess for Wikidata we have just one property, which is P18:Image. Normally, it is only one image which is used with this property, very seldom two (e.g. exterior / interior), sometimes people add dozens of images to the same item but this is clearly abuse. We do not have properties for different types of images, such as panoramic view, architectural details, interior, historic images etc. I also do not think this classification is in any way built into Structural Commons. On Commons, sometimes we are relying on categories, but often we just have one category with several hundred files. Should we try to make this distinction between the images on the structural level?

You should have looked :)  It turns out we have plenty of image properties: https://w.wiki/4Jw2

Of these 47 the following were interesting:


that I'm using in my table. Not many in my example monument list have several of these, so there's a lot to do.

/Jan

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:27 PM Ciell Wikipedia <ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
If I read the table correctly, it shows (lack of) different images: overview, panorama, close-up, interior, entrance, video. That is a nice challenge indeed, thanks for sharing the query Jan!

I remember when we did variations like this in NL, and awarded a special prize for the best detailed image of a monument, a special prize for an aerial image of a monument (drones!), or for an overview series of max 10 images of one monument. This query would be very helpful for those kinds of extra prizes.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 19:49 schreef Jan Ainali <ainali.jan@gmail.com>:
One very interesting aspect that was touched upon today (I don't remember in which session) was the notion of going a bit deeper than just getting the first image of a monument.

That got me inspired to experiment with this listeria list that uses many more relevant image properties. (Sorry for the Swedish but the SPARQL query in the wikitext should be language neutral.) 


I hope that can inspire someone further

Med vänliga hälsningar 
Jan Ainali


Den lör 30 okt. 2021 kl 19:20 skrev Ciell Wikipedia <ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com>:
Thanks Bodhi, they were very interesting sessions!

I checked with the organisation and WMDE will have them all available through their YT channel later, but since they are recording the whole WikidataCon weekend, it will take some time to edit and upload all of the material. They will become available in due time on the WMDE YT channel, and I assume they'll be uploaded on Commons as well.

Today's sessions were:
* Wikidata in Ireland, WLM and beyond! (Rebecca O'Neill)
* Structured data, structured photos – SDC for WLM (Alicia Fagerving)
* Structured contest data for campaigns (Susanna Ånä)
* Wikidata at the heart of Wiki Loves Monuments: a Brazilian experience (Éder Port)
* Field photography in Bahia, Brazil before and after Wikidata as a tool to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in Brazil (Paul Burley)
* Wiki Loves Monuments discussion (Rebecca, Paul, Éder)

I think most if not all of you are on this mailing list, and I want to thank you for sharing your work and enthusiasm about our photo competition at today's WikidataCon! 👍

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op za 30 okt. 2021 om 11:49 schreef Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com>:
Hello,

For those who have not noticed, WikidataCon 2021 has 6 sessions on WLM today. The sessions have already started. The program schedule is here - https://pretalx.com/wdcon21/schedule/#2021-10-30

Regards,
Bodhisattwa
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