Benoît,
I fully agree, but don't forget we have smaller wikipedia-enabled countries taking part who may 1) have fewer participants, but who may have 2) professional photographers who I assume have this function, and who 3) do not have a map (yet)

In the situation of 1), I believe we need to just work from the existing lists or even just depend on the uploader's judgement, and make the validation and coords the work of WLM volunteers and not tax the uploader with ANYTHING REMOTELY TECHNICAL, so not even mention GIS
In the situation of 2) it would be great to have Jan's "mashup"
In the situation of 3) are you offering your services here? I noticed you have a very cool map here
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Lists_of_European_Monuments/France

Jane

2011/7/15 Benoît Evellin <benoit.evellin@wikimedia.fr>
Users just need a camera which generates and saves the geocoordinates.
How many cameras can do that ? How many users will have a camera like
this ?

Sorry for breaking the enthusiasm, but don't you think you are
designing a feature just for few users, instead of finding a global
solution ? ;-)

KISS without any specific technology : uploading a photo -> enter the
city name -> have a map, with coordinate system (like this ?
http://mapper.acme.com/) -> press ok when you are on location.

Benoît

2011/7/15 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>:
> Yes, I see your point. A dream scenario would be to use the existing tool
> but make a mashup with the bot. When a user uploads a file with an EXIF
> coordinate, the map pops up and asks for the photographed object location,
> centered to the camera location. After the user has dropped the flag on the
> object the user press Done and everything else would be automated.
> --
> Med vänliga hälsningar
> Jan Ainali
> Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige
>
> 2011/7/15 Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
>>
>> Yes, but I would like to see a empty hole in the photo template that you
>> can just plop that info into for these monuments - remember, lots of people
>> will be VERY frightened off by that tag and in this specific case, be
>> dazzled by SEVEN options to choose from...
>>
>> 2011/7/15 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>
>>>
>>> Of the seven possible templates to copy back (down to the left on that
>>> page), the two last ones are object location.
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>>> Jan Ainali
>>> Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige
>>> 2011/7/15 Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> OMG OMG!!! (sorry for the enthusiasm) That is the solution right there!
>>>> You copy&paste the coords from the bot-generated camera location and then
>>>> that tool zeros right down to street level - I just tried it with the file
>>>> Tomasz sent me and the adjusted coords are returned in the same format. All
>>>> we need is a way to copy&paste those back into object location - do we have
>>>> that?
>>>> Jane
>>>>
>>>> 2011/7/15 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>
>>>>>
>>>>> If we find someone who can do some hacking (which I can't) perhaps
>>>>> there is a way to integrate this tool to let the user select the location?
>>>>> http://tools.freeside.sk/geolocator/geolocator.html
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Jan Ainali
>>>>> Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige
>>>>> 2011/7/15 Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomasz,
>>>>>> Thanks for those links! As the Dutch say, "now my wooden clog is
>>>>>> breaking". Using the wonderful link right there to open street maps, is
>>>>>> there a way to ask the user who clicked on the image to update the
>>>>>> template:location if it is empty? This way the user just needs to move the
>>>>>> geo pointer on the map to the correct location (you probably need google
>>>>>> satellite view for this, not open street maps)
>>>>>> Jane
>>>>>> 2011/7/15 Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/7/15 Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> > Jan, I don't have a camera that does this, so I can't test it, but
>>>>>>> > do I
>>>>>>> > understand from this that the EXIF info automatically gets stuffed
>>>>>>> > into
>>>>>>> > a Template:Location (camera location) field as it stands now?
>>>>>>> > Because that
>>>>>>> > way for the countries who have their act together with the GIS
>>>>>>> > coordinates
>>>>>>> > (like the Netherlands, Ahem!) we should do nothing, and then for
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > countries who are missing coordinates, we can have a bot move this
>>>>>>> > info
>>>>>>> > into Template:Object location and dump it into a category "GIS
>>>>>>> > coordinates
>>>>>>> > for XXX monuments  under review" or some such thing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:DschwenBot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typical recent action of the bot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Bersillies_%28Nord,_Fr%29_Salle_des_f%C3%AAtes.JPG&diff=prev&oldid=56610675
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we can simply talk to the owner of this bot to add such a
>>>>>>> functionality. Although IMHO quite substantial number of pictures of
>>>>>>> monuments are taken from some distance. especially tall and large
>>>>>>> buildings. Even if you take a picture of smaller object such as this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bersillies_%28Nord,_Fr%29_Salle_des_f%C3%AAtes.JPG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your possition is at least 6 to 10 meters from the possition of the
>>>>>>> object. It is better than nothing but anyway it is still wrong. For
>>>>>>> example if the small church in on the corner of the small square - if
>>>>>>> you take a picture from the opposite corner which is 50 m in distance
>>>>>>> it will put the possition of the church in obviously wrong place :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
>>>>>>> http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
>>>>>>> http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
>>>>>>> http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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