I wonder if we could change the upload so it added a random suffix to non-unique file names? That way the uploads would still work, and we wouldn't lose the meaningful part of file names - sometimes the best bit for search results.
Jonathan
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From: Racso <racso(a)colombia.com>
Date:01/09/2014 17:54 (GMT+00:00)
To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has notstarted yet...
It's clear that obscure names should be discouraged (for Wikimedia Commons standards), but right now we may discourage participation with that limitation. There isn't even an option to pick a new filename when an error occurs in the UploadWizard; you have to start the upload process all over again. Also, there isn't a quick way to check if the filename that is about to be used is already occupied or not; you have to save, get the API error, and start over again.
Also, please note that the problem isn't limited only to obscure names. The "Eiffel TowerX.jpg" (for several values of X, and with no X) name is already occupied. The same may happen to popular monuments on each country.
That said, I insist: we should make participation as easy as possible. In most photo repositories (everyone except Commons?), you don't even need to assign names to uploaded files; they are automatically generated. Yes, they end being obscure, random names such as 12309803.jpg, but nobody cares about that! We can't change Commons naming policies right now, but we can, at least, help participants by reducing name collisions or making the error-fixing process as easy as possible.
For now, I'll try to explain in WLM-CO instructions that an "api-error-unknownerror" means that the photo filename should be changed.
Racso
2014-09-01 4:53 GMT-05:00 <aktron(a)centrum.cz>:
Yes,
I have received some e-mails from various people that they do have this issue in WLM CZ. I do believe however it is a filename issue, as it is highly logical to expect files named IMG_401.JPG to be kinda problem to upload... as pretty much everyone tried to do so in past 10 years.
So they were kindly asked to change the filename...
Aktron
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Hi Rasco,
I confirmed that "<api-error-unknownerror>" is a filename problem.
We should
(1) tell the uploader that it is a filename issue.
(2) allow them to go back to the page where the uploader may give a new name -- rather than give an option to retry.
Taweetham
On 1 September 2014 14:06, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se> wrote:
DSC0001 - 28392 is an obscure file name and should really be discouraged. File names should be descriptive. If anything, the help text for that field can be made clearer.
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2014-09-01 9:00 GMT+02:00 Racso <racso(a)colombia.com>:
I had that error when doing a test upload. I retried, changing the filename, and it worked.
That made me wonder: Is there a way for making the UploadWizard to append a random number to the default filename? I'm pretty sure lots of participants will have trouble because of trying to upload images with already occupied filenames, specially if the names come from cameras (e.g. DSC0001). If a random number is appended to the name (e.g. DSC0001 - 28392), we would heavily reduce this problem.
Racso
2014-08-31 22:42 GMT-05:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki(a)gmail.com>:
However, it now has another problem at "Describe" stage:
77px-Örebro_slott_resynth.jpg
<api-error-unknownerror>
None of the uploads were successful.
Retry failed uploads
Anyone has done a successful test upload?
On 1 September 2014 10:09, KaewWiki <KaewWiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> It is now fixed. Thank you.
>
> On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still say that the
>> contest has not started yet?
>>
>> Romaine
>>
>>
>> 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum(a)hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Same here Pakistan
>>>
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>>>
>>> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-)
>>>
>>> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> This is a message from WMTH. This is about 7:05am Thailand time or
>>> 00:05 (UTC). I try to do a test upload and see the following message.
>>>
>>> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet.
>>> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share your
>>> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition."
>>>
>>> The URL is
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campai… 13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999
>>>
>>> Anyone got the same problem? Any solutions?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Taweetham
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Hello All,
This is a message from WMTH. This is about 7:05am Thailand time or
00:05 (UTC). I try to do a test upload and see the following message.
"Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet.
Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share your
images, but they will not be eligible for the competition."
The URL is
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campai…
Anyone got the same problem? Any solutions?
Many thanks,
Taweetham
why it does not happen like last year, the template automatically replaces
the file name ave the reference monument
it's easier and more attractive
the license must be as Creative Commons 4
bachounda
from team arabic contest WLMA
Just an advice to some of the newer teams.
You cannot upload images from the mobile interface using the uploadWizard
due to a bug[1]. Switching to desktop view should however make it work.
Cheers,
André
[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62638
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> On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still say that
> the
> > contest has not started yet?
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> >
> > 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum(a)hotmail.com>:
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> >> Same here Pakistan
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 02:15:51 +0200
> >> From: pierre-selim(a)huard.info
> >> To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not
> >> started yet...
> >>
> >>
> >> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-)
> >>
> >> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki(a)gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> This is a message from WMTH. This is about 7:05am Thailand time or
> >> 00:05 (UTC). I try to do a test upload and see the following message.
> >>
> >> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet.
> >> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share your
> >> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition."
> >>
> >> The URL is
> >>
> >>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campai…
> >>
> >> Anyone got the same problem? Any solutions?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Taweetham
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> Hello all,
>
> Today I have performed a check of all the landing pages. I have contacted
> all the organizers when they had a difficulty in their website/landing
> page. Some wrote that they do not participate this year, other teams are
> still working. I have updated the list of countries on Commons:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014/Partic…
>
> The list of countries contains now 38 participating countries. There are
> also 7 other countries of which the team is supposed to start at 1
> September, but isn't ready yet. I am still waiting for replies to my
> messages, until then the upload wizard of these countries is still active,
> but the CentralNotice is not. The 7 countries what I am waiting for are:
>
> * Armenia & Nagorno-Karabakh - no organisation?
> * Aruba - no landing page/website
> * Cambodia - no landing page, no translations, no reply to mail
> * Morocco - no landing page, no organisation?
> * Portugal - no landing page, no organisation
> * Qatar - no landing page
> * Venezuela - website not up-to-date or no landing page, no organisation?
>
> If anyone has more information about these countries, please share it with
> me.
>
> Thanks all for the help and organizing!
>
> Romaine
>
Hello all,
Today I have performed a check of all the landing pages. I have contacted
all the organizers when they had a difficulty in their website/landing
page. Some wrote that they do not participate this year, other teams are
still working. I have updated the list of countries on Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014/Partic…
The list of countries contains now 38 participating countries. There are
also 7 other countries of which the team is supposed to start at 1
September, but isn't ready yet. I am still waiting for replies to my
messages, until then the upload wizard of these countries is still active,
but the CentralNotice is not. The 7 countries what I am waiting for are:
* Armenia & Nagorno-Karabakh - no organisation?
* Aruba - no landing page/website
* Cambodia - no landing page, no translations, no reply to mail
* Morocco - no landing page, no organisation?
* Portugal - no landing page, no organisation
* Qatar - no landing page
* Venezuela - website not up-to-date or no landing page, no organisation?
If anyone has more information about these countries, please share it with
me.
Thanks all for the help and organizing!
Romaine
Hi All,
A number of countries use commons pages for this competition. Should
we semi-protect them in anticipation of high traffic? I am not saying
there will be intentional vandalism but some embarrassing error may
occur for wiki newbies. I have seen some for my country and I have
filed a request for WLMTH 2014 pages:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Bl…
Anyone wishes to join the request?
Best,
Taweetham