Fully agree 
I think moderation is a good first step

BW ML 

Op wo 10 okt. 2018 15:45 schreef Markus Pössel <poessel@mpia.de>:

Dear all,

do we really need to go down that particular rabbit hole again?

Recall that Diptanshu had resigned earlier from the WikiJournal of
Medicine Board, and the WikiJournal Council, narrowly pre-empting a
removal for harassment.
(cf.
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Editorial_board/Archive_2015-2018#Proposed_removal_of_Diptanshu_Das)

Diptanshu's earlier e-mail seems to be a continuation of his campaign to
argue that the accusations of harassment were overblown. And Diptanshu's
response continues the same patronizing-defensive behavior he showed in
his earlier communications on the harassment matter, in this case
admonishing Jackie to "forsake [her] personal ego" and belittling her
statement of feeling uncomfortable about Diptanshu's behavior.

In short: In terms of Diptanshu's not realizing and acknowledging in
full what he did wrong (back then and now), and instead telling those
around him what to do, this seems to be heading in the same direction as
the earlier long e-mail exchange that led to the initiation of the board
removal procedures.

Thomas, Mikael: Could you please take additional steps now, before
history repeats itself?

All the best,

Markus








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On 2018-10-07 19:09, Dr. Diptanshu Das wrote:
> Dear Jackie
>
> Whether you like it or not, I would remain a well wisher and
> contributor to WikiJournals. My allegiance is to the Open Knowledge
> movement, and not to you. I would only wish that you forsake your
> personal ego and think in the best interest of the good things that
> you are involved in. Please do not mess them up.
>
> My good wishes for are contained in the lines you have quoted. I
> insist that you develop a perspective of being able to look at the
> brighter side of things. I have mentioned certain good attributes that
> I have felt to be essential for the board members. If you do not have
> them, try and acquire them. If you have them, congratulations. Stop
> detecting hubris when it is not there. Nevertheless, I do have
> integrity and dedication something I doubt whether you have ever been
> able to respect. Earlier you had detected discrimination when it was
> not there. At least learn from your previous mistakes (well you would
> need to appreciate them first).
>
> My posting on the social media was an essential step that no board
> member cared to undertake prior to me. My response to Mr. Turki was
> based on my experience, and was a helpful one. Please learn to respect
> what is good. Please learn to understand what is good for the journal.
> Please realise that by initiating such discussions you might be
> hampering the cordial environment on the public forum of the
> WikiJournals. There are so many people reading this thread. They
> perhaps have more important concerns than be concerned by what you
> feel uncomfortable about. Please assume good faith. Markus Pössel had
> stressed on its importance earlier.
>
> There was a message contained in the message I sent. I would only hope
> that you would be able to comprehend that. You would only be able to
> do that if you can forsake your ego. You have my best wishes.
>
> Regards
> Diptanshu
>
> Note to the EiCs: Please take appropriate actions if somebody
> demonstrates 'battleground mentality'. I feel that it can seriously
> affect the health of the journals. Additionally, I would denounce the
> project if you can pass a resolution on-wiki that only board members
> can contribute to the well being of the journals.
>
> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 21:51, Jackie <jackie.koerner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Diptanshu,
>>
>> You were removed from the board. As a person who was involved in the
>> situation which culminated in you being removed from the board, I am
>> uncomfortable with you continuing to communicate on behalf of the
>> WikiJournals, on the WikiJournal mailing list, and on social media.
>>
>> If you want to be involved in the WikiJournals again, I do think
>> showing a little less hubris would do you well. Your use of phrases
>> and statements, which I do believe you think to be persuasive, you
>> are instead showing you do not understand the weight of your
>> actions. This includes statements like: "I can certainly hope that
>> the board members of the respective WikiJournals be wise." The board
>> was wise in regard to "people who deal with issues pertaining to
>> equity and/or empowerment of certain minorities." People who deal
>> with issues pertaining to equity and/or empowerment do not need to
>> accept inappropriate behavior. People who deal with issues
>> pertaining to equity and/or empowerment have been doing that for way
>> too long.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jackie
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM Dr. Diptanshu Das
>> <das.diptanshu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In context of a happening in the recent past, I feel the following
>> quote [1] may bear some context to the participants of WikiJournal.
>>
>> "Imagine you are walking in the woods and you see a small dog
>> sitting by a tree. As you approach, it suddenly lunges at you, teeth
>> bared. You are frightened and angry. But then you notice that one of
>> its legs is caught in a trap. Immediately your mood shifts from
>> anger to concern: You see that the dog’s aggression is coming from
>> vulnerability and pain. This applies to all of us. When we behave in
>> hurtful ways, it is because we are caught in some kind of painful
>> trap. The more we look through the eyes of wisdom at ourselves and
>> each other, the more we cultivate a compassionate heart."
>>
>> -Tara Brach [2], "True Refuge [3]"
>>
>> I can only hope that the board members of the respective
>> WikiJournals be wise. This is especially relevant to people who deal
>> with issues pertaining to equality and/or empowerment of certain
>> minorities. It can be awefully problematic if they lack such wisdom.
>>
>> Regards
>> Diptanshu
>>
>> Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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