Hi, and this is great, thanks to Mark for putting the list together I think it's going to be very helpful.

Ray King here, the .wiki guy.  What about starting a "WikiFarming Best Practices Wiki" to accumulate all of this thinking?  Does something like that already exist?  - R


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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:52:46 -0400
From: Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <mah@nichework.com>wrote:

> It isn't clear to me what the problem is with the setup you've
> described.  Could you provide more detail for what you mean by
> "sysadmins shouldn't have to go that far"?
>
> What would a sysadmin need to do to use this?
>

Basically, take a look at this file:

https://github.com/Orain/ansible-playbook/blob/master/roles/mediawiki/files/LocalSettings.php.j2

You shouldn't have to write a 619 line configuration file just to get your
wiki farm up and running. Also, there's literally no documentation for how
to use SiteConfiguration.

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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:06:38 -0400
From: "Mark A. Hershberger" <mah@nichework.com>
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On 08/16/2013 07:52 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> Basically, take a look at this file:
>
> https://github.com/Orain/ansible-playbook/blob/master/roles/mediawiki/files/LocalSettings.php.j2
>
> You shouldn't have to write a 619 line configuration file just to get
> your wiki farm up and running. Also, there's literally no documentation
> for how to use SiteConfiguration.

And here we return to the ever-present problem that MediaWiki has: all
configuration is stored in files.

If the configuration didn't require writing PHP, then this would be a
solved problem.

Mark.

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:07:42 -0400
From: Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <mah@nichework.com>wrote:

> And here we return to the ever-present problem that MediaWiki has: all
> configuration is stored in files.
>
> If the configuration didn't require writing PHP, then this would be a
> solved problem.
>

Yeah good point, and I think fixing that problem is kind of out of the
scope of the wikifarm problem. Maybe for now we should focus on
documentation, and documenting the best method for getting a wikifarm
running, and from there we can analyze our own docs and come up with ways
to make things easier.

*-- *
*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo@gmail.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:58:37 +0800
From: Hydriz Scholz <admin@alphacorp.tk>
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <mah@nichework.com>wrote:
>
>> And here we return to the ever-present problem that MediaWiki has: all
>> configuration is stored in files.
>>
>> If the configuration didn't require writing PHP, then this would be a
>> solved problem.
>>
>
> Yeah good point, and I think fixing that problem is kind of out of the
> scope of the wikifarm problem. Maybe for now we should focus on
> documentation, and documenting the best method for getting a wikifarm
> running, and from there we can analyze our own docs and come up with ways
> to make things easier.
>

Actually, I have been experimenting around with how Wikimedia configures
their code to actually set up a wiki farm. The Labs project StackFarm[1]
(which is also going to be a new MediaWiki extension in the future to
manage wiki farms) currently has a modified set up of the Wikimedia cluster
configuration and is trimmed down to work with only one server. Perhaps on
documentation I would be able to help out :)

[1]: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Stackfarm


>
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