On 5/26/06, Rob <gamaliel8(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/26/06, BJörn Lindqvist <bjourne(a)gmail.com>
False. The poster abuhamza used the screen name
Saladin1970. I don't
understand how is email address is in any way relevant. Most people
here didn't know there is a real Abu Hamza that incites hatred and
most people wouldn't have cared about his email address unless someone
had accused him for it.
He used the screen name Abu Hamza here on the list. He used the
Wikipedia username of User:Saladin1970. Instead of assuming I don't
have "my facts straight", you might have considered that I was using
different terminology than that which you might choose to employ. His
Yes. But please use the more exact term "email address," for his email
address. Screen name is a very ambiguous term in this context.
choice of screen name/email name/whatever is entirely
relevant, as it
appears to indicate he is a racial POV warrior, just as someone who
might choose the email name of David Duke would be a racial POV
warrior. Just because some people might not know who David Duke is
doesn't make any difference.
Since you know that his Wikipedia user name was Saladin1970, and you
probably also know that he didn't begin posting on this mailing list
before he was indefinitely banned, then you should be able to conclude
that his email address had nothing, whatsoever, to do with his
Also, you are comparing David Duke, which I assume is a well known
racist in the US, to a Muslim clerk, who, in an international context,
is definitely not well known. Saying that "some people might not know
who Abu Hamza is," is an understatement. You can also take a look at
the article about [[Abu Hamza]], and maybe you will understand why I
find it hard that anyone would want to impersonate or idolize that
guy. There are many way "cooler" al-Qaeida supporters out there.
Apply Occam's Razor, is it more believable that Saladin1970's real
name is Abu Hamza, or is it more believable that he choose the address
abuhamza1970(a)hotmail.com to show his support for the real Abu Hamza?
First, recall that "abu" is Arabic and means father of, so every
father who has a child named Hamza would be an "Abu Hamza." Second,
recall that the guy himself has explained that and has claimed that
Abu Hamza is his real name. Third:
Quote Dan Rosenthal:
"n my time spent in the middle east, I've met a large number of men with the
nickname Abu Hamza. I'm no Arabic naming expert, but from what I understand,
Abu _________ is a common nickname scheme over there. I wouldn't be
surprised to find multiple Abu Hamzas in the arabic wikipedia community.
Coincidence in name is just that: coincidence, AFAICT"
And last, even *if* the guy choose the email address
abuhamza1970(a)hotmail.com because he likes Abu Hamza, that is no reason
for indefinitely banning him - we allow people who like al-Qaeida to
editors Zionists is no good. Btw, I believe the extract from
"Zionism The Real Enemy of the Jews" was only inserted in one article,
Well that makes it okay, then.
Yeah, I assume so. Alan Hart is the author of Zionism The Real Enemy
of Jews. The quote was 4-5 paragraphs which is to much for Wikipedia
articles. One or two paragraphs would have been appropriate. It is a
common mistake many new to Wikipedia do.
The user is
indefinitely banned, there is no way for him to improve
his behaviour anyway.
Yes, but he could easily be unbanned, and is posting on the
campaigning for someone to do so. Hence this discussion.
So before you try to stick up for the guy by helping him improve his
behaviour, you have to get him unbanned. Don't you agree? Or are you
saying that his behaviour on this mailing list is particularly bad?