"Philip Welch" wrote
If someone wants to join that community, they have to
jargon. Even the most welcoming communities work this way.
No they don't. You're describing rude, myopic communities with
interest in outreach. Not a global voluntary organisation.
Only rude, myopic communities have their own jargon?
Not at all. Medical doctors have jargon, for example. But only certain
people actually do expect what you say, that is, to join the community you
must immerse yourself in the jargon. The analogy here is not with becoming
a doctor, but in taking part in a discussion with one
Are you saying
that (for instance) the hacker community, academics, and
professionals all belong to "rude, myopic communities"?
Those groups can certainly come across that way. My point is that
Wikipedians, at their best, do _not_ snow people with jargon, but speak to
them using the usual English language.
saying that baseball fans are a "rude, myopic community" because they
use terms unfamiliar to newbies like "strikeout", "walk", and
"infield fly rule"?
Now you mention it, I have noticed that certain baseball articles have some
of the worst lead sections I have seen.
The purpose of jargon is to make communication easier
within a group.
Everyone here knows what "cruft" is.
Actually, the thread demonstrates the precise opposite: it is used by people
who have really no idea of its denotation and connotations. The essay at
[[Wikipedia:Listcruft]] gives numerous possible readings. People use it not
with full knowledge, but because they think buzzwords have power that
rational argument lacks.
In AfD contexts, it's extraneous
content not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.
Well, the actual usage is as a pejorative-type suffix; what you are
smuggling there into 'extraneous'.
willing to explain that to newbies. And anyone who's offended by the
word "cruft" needs to grow a thicker skin, because once we start
making up euphemisms for it, we'll end up with even more impenetrable
jargon than we have now.
As I say, myopic rude jargon-using people miss the point of the Wikipedia
mission; which is not to send people away seething. Hacker mentality must