Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (or again), which is rather surprising given that we have been going nearly a decade now. I'd like to ask how many articles still are stubs, by some sensible standard? Points arise from that, clearly. But I'm hearing quite a lot recently from the "glass half empty" people. You know, ten short stubs are created, and a year later five are still stubby, five are much improved. Are we glad to have five new substantial articles, or embarrassed to have persistent five stubs? So has this made things proportionately better or worse? Discuss. Charles