There have been a few of these. IMHO, the best website to discuss similar issues is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Village_Pump Steve

Could you describe briefly what the editorial policy of this forum will be? Charles

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jake Wartenberg <jake(a)jakewartenberg.com> wrote: If there's a problem with "outing" (I don't even know what that means) and "trolling" they should be dealt with within the community. We already have a list that is moderated. Perhaps this is harsh, but maybe you mean "I, personally, am not getting what *I* want from the communities that exist, so I'll set up another one". I occasionally get drunk, or swipe at someone and then get slapped down by a few people. When that happens I generally think "yeah, they have a point, I really should be put in my place. I was wrong". Are you just looking to create somewhere where you'll finally be right?

I think that was absolutely uncalled for - you should apologize to Jake for your comments.

The problem is that you misunderstood what he was saying, and then harshly criticized what you mistakenly took him to mean. He was asked "Can you describe the editorial policy [of wikien.net]?" He replied that it would be a relaxed forum for discussion and chitchat, with 'no trolling or outing' as a caveat to the relaxed moderating. Nowhere did he make a claim about on-wiki (or on-list) problems of trolling or outing (outing is making public personal details on someone who edits psuedonymously). The background, which you evidently missed, is that some non-wiki forums used to discuss Wikipedia expressly allow both trolling and outing.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is already a foundation mailing list. That, and others, are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Steve Bennett &lt;stevagewp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: There is something to be said for off wiki discussion. Why do you think these mailing lists get so much traffic? People can start discussions in a less formal setting before they take them to the pump. It should also be a place where members of the community can discuss things that are not Wikipedia related. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com&gt; wrote: I can. I want to promote a relaxed atmosphere without allowing outing or trolling. It should be a place where editors can chatter idly and brainstorm new ideas. I hope that gives you an idea of what I am going for here.