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David Gerard

11 May 2013 11 May '13

10:43 p.m.

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfil… It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click "Edit source" to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A bug discovered now saves endless newbie pain later. - d.

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Katherine Casey

11 May 11 May

10:51 p.m.

I've found it very difficult to test out the VE because so much of what I do involves, one way or another, templates (which don't work yet in VE). Manipulating anything to do with a source, for example, is out. Adding tags to an article is out. Infoboxes are out. And so forth. I suspect once templates and, more specifically, references are up and running, it will be much, much easier to test VE as part of one's workflow. -Fluffernutter On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfil… It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click "Edit source" to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A bug discovered now saves endless newbie pain later. - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Amir E. Aharoni

11:08 p.m.

2013/5/11 David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfil… It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click "Edit source" to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A bug discovered now saves endless newbie pain later.

Mmmm... so I know that it's the English Wikipedia mailing list, but I suppose that this won't hurt: In the Hebrew Wikipedia several people tried the VisualEditor. I counted seven newly reported bugs as a result of this, and one reopened. There were also a few WONTFIXes, INVALIDs and dupes. Two of the new bugs were already fixed. I think that it's a reasonable response level to a brand new opt-in feature, which is barely alpha quality. It's not big, but it's much more than zero. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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David Gerard

11:15 p.m.

On 11 May 2013 22:08, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Mmmm... so I know that it's the English Wikipedia mailing list, but I suppose that this won't hurt: In the Hebrew Wikipedia several people tried the VisualEditor. I counted seven newly reported bugs as a result of this, and one reopened. There were also a few WONTFIXes, INVALIDs and dupes. Two of the new bugs were already fixed. I think that it's a reasonable response level to a brand new opt-in feature, which is barely alpha quality. It's not big, but it's much more than zero.

True. Testing early and often is particularly important for a right-to-left language, since those are generally neglected in the Latin alphabet computing world. - d.

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Steve Bennett

13 May 13 May

6:38 a.m.

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfil… It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click "Edit source" to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A bug discovered now saves endless newbie pain later.

As I think I commented elsewhere, the lack of references is a deal breaker for me, even for testing. A couple of times already I started making an edit with the VE, then went to add a reference...and hard to start over in the "source" editor. That said, I haven't seen any bugs. It looks really, really good. Steve

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David Gerard

8:39 a.m.

On 13 May 2013 05:38, Steve Bennett <stevagewp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

As I think I commented elsewhere, the lack of references is a deal breaker for me, even for testing. A couple of times already I started making an edit with the VE, then went to add a reference...and hard to start over in the "source" editor.

I've been using it for typos.

That said, I haven't seen any bugs. It looks really, really good.

Still getting pawns show up occasionally. (Reliable way to manifest them: edit a list.) - d.

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WereSpielChequers

11:39 a.m.

I tried it for typos, very slow and it worked on one article and kept trying to vandalise another. But when I edit I like to have Firefox's spellchecker to red underline possible typos, and this doesn't support that. I worry about the loss of section editing in the visual editor. Aside from being one of the most effective ways to reduce edit conflicts, having an edit button on each section is a great way to encourage editing. Without it I wonder at the metrics we will get from this. We are making two big changes, one is expected to increase editing the other to reduce it; If we only measure the overall effect how are we going to learn the individual effects? WSC On 13 May 2013 07:39, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 May 2013 05:38, Steve Bennett <stevagewp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

As I think I commented elsewhere, the lack of references is a deal breaker for me, even for testing. A couple of times already I started making an edit with the VE, then went to add a reference...and hard to start over in the "source" editor.

I've been using it for typos.

That said, I haven't seen any bugs. It looks really, really good.

Still getting pawns show up occasionally. (Reliable way to manifest them: edit a list.) - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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