Okay then, let me ask how do you intend to measure "start them editing"? Raw edit counts? Over what period of time? Will what namespace matter?
Frankly I'm not as interested in getting new people *started* editing as I am I in *keeping* them editing. Many new editors get frustrated because they don't understand basic rules like proper sourcing and citation. Many are not good at reading our written rules - that's why I was excited to see those tutorial videos. I really think they can bridge the gap for the majority of people who don't do well with just RTFM. That's why I say that at least a link to those videos should be on *every* version of that landing page.
Sent from my Droid2 Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipongo@gmail.com On Feb 20, 2011 6:33 PM, "Lennart Guldbrandsson" wikihannibal@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we want them keep editing, not just starting. :-) And there are several measures we can have for success, but Sue Gardner and several others have spoken about the focus this year. One measure that have come up is that we look at the newcomers' first 100 edits. After that they should be prepared for what Wikipedia is. And to get them to actually make 100 edits we may need to handhold them better.
But let's step back a bit. I think we need to think of this in several steps:
1 let non-Wikipedians know that they actually *can* edit (more people than you imagine do not actually know that *they* can edit Wikipedia, even if they know that *you* can edit) 2 encourage them to start editing 3 not scare them away
What this project is focused on is not step 1 or 3, but parts of 2. My Fellowship is after all only 6 months long and we need to have some limits to it.
The Account Creation is something fairly simple to improve. We change some pages and measure what effect that has, and pick whichever change has the best result. The other things are much more difficult, and may even *gasp* require some soulsearching among the regular Wikipedians to see what we can do better. So let's start with something easier and make more versions of the landing pages.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/21 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com
Okay then, let me ask how do you intend to measure "start them editing"? Raw edit counts? Over what period of time? Will what namespace matter?
Frankly I'm not as interested in getting new people *started* editing as I am I in *keeping* them editing. Many new editors get frustrated because they don't understand basic rules like proper sourcing and citation. Many are not good at reading our written rules - that's why I was excited to see those tutorial videos. I really think they can bridge the gap for the majority of people who don't do well with just RTFM. That's why I say that at least a link to those videos should be on *every* version of that landing page.
Sent from my Droid2 Elias Friedman A.S., CCEMT-P אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipongo@gmail.com On Feb 20, 2011 6:33 PM, "Lennart Guldbrandsson" wikihannibal@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not usually one for graphic design, so this could probably do with improving and relevant links adding.
I've added a version that could be helpful at http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
What I'm hoping to address are:
1. Layouts "original version" and "redesign" are too close to "wall of text" for many newcomers. Even though they are simple short bullet lists with icons, I'm concerned they'll skip it. A better layout and a few brief bullets may do better and also be more informative.
2. The audience is people who want to get involved, so an overview they can come back to might be helpful. I have assumed this page is linked from the toolkit so they can always find it.
3. It might be better to have a link for "editing", and save the mention of policies there. At the start a user needs to know the basics, that some stuff will be ok and some won't, and "click here to find out which". Then they are reading it *by choice* and it'll probably be more "sticky" as a result.
Words like "policies" may tend to overwhelm or frighten many of those we want to engage.
4. The section for "readers" also includes* "Reading, or want to make improvements and corrections?" *The *unstated thought *is that a reader will also be someone who might want to make a small correction. Gut feel says that a major route is readers who are then tempted to make their first correction, or who need to know they *can *think of it. I'd like to see the effect of including "making a small improvement or correction" *as part of info for end-users*, not just keeping it separate.
Not technically accurate but may be effective this way, as "editing" could be felt as overwhelming (initially) where "make a small correction" may be perceived as empowering. Many people may think "someone should fix that" and despite all our pages, not fully realize the "someone" is allowed to be *them*.
5. *I have not put links in yet.* I would not make individual words, lines, or sentences a link. Link proliferation is a distraction, we found that out in the record 2010 fundraiser. Make each section (except the last) to be *one* link clickable anywhere. Unfortunately (bug 18640https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460) the <a href...> html tag can't be used yet in markup, otherwise I'd make the entirety of each cell a single link to some (short) relevant subpage.
I'd actually like it done via a popup, that appears when you click a cell for information. That's more classy and suited to the richer interface of other modern websites, but outside my skills. Anyone else know where I can find a basic "click this and get a dismissible popup" DIV class? :)
6. Should contain something interesting and engaging too :)
Feedback and any design-related questions welcomed! Not sure where to link this from/to though.
FT2
This is good. I'll make sure we'll test this as well.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/21 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com
I'm not usually one for graphic design, so this could probably do with improving and relevant links adding.
I've added a version that could be helpful at
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
What I'm hoping to address are:
- Layouts "original version" and "redesign" are too close to "wall of
text" for many newcomers. Even though they are simple short bullet lists with icons, I'm concerned they'll skip it. A better layout and a few brief bullets may do better and also be more informative.
- The audience is people who want to get involved, so an overview they
can come back to might be helpful. I have assumed this page is linked from the toolkit so they can always find it.
- It might be better to have a link for "editing", and save the mention
of policies there. At the start a user needs to know the basics, that some stuff will be ok and some won't, and "click here to find out which". Then they are reading it *by choice* and it'll probably be more "sticky" as a result.
Words like "policies" may tend to overwhelm or frighten many of those we want to engage.
- The section for "readers" also includes* "Reading, or want to make
improvements and corrections?" *The *unstated thought *is that a reader will also be someone who might want to make a small correction. Gut feel says that a major route is readers who are then tempted to make their first correction, or who need to know they *can *think of it. I'd like to see the effect of including "making a small improvement or correction" *as part of info for end-users*, not just keeping it separate.
Not technically accurate but may be effective this way, as "editing" could be felt as overwhelming (initially) where "make a small correction" may be perceived as empowering. Many people may think "someone should fix that" and despite all our pages, not fully realize the "someone" is allowed to be *them*.
- *I have not put links in yet.* I would not make individual words,
lines, or sentences a link. Link proliferation is a distraction, we found that out in the record 2010 fundraiser. Make each section (except the last) to be *one* link clickable anywhere. Unfortunately (bug 18640https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460) the <a href...> html tag can't be used yet in markup, otherwise I'd make the entirety of each cell a single link to some (short) relevant subpage.
I'd actually like it done via a popup, that appears when you click a cell for information. That's more classy and suited to the richer interface of other modern websites, but outside my skills. Anyone else know where I can find a basic "click this and get a dismissible popup" DIV class? :)
- Should contain something interesting and engaging too :)
Feedback and any design-related questions welcomed! Not sure where to link this from/to though.
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Since it's a WMF holiday and I can do whatever I want with my time, I made one too. ;)
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
Like FT2, I welcome any edits to make it look better. And feedback about the content is of course welcome too. I can always do more takes with revised scripts.
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihannibal@gmail.com wrote:
This is good. I'll make sure we'll test this as well.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/21 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com
I'm not usually one for graphic design, so this could probably do with improving and relevant links adding.
I've added a version that could be helpful at
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
What I'm hoping to address are:
1. Layouts "original version" and "redesign" are too close to "wall of text" for many newcomers. Even though they are simple short bullet lists with icons, I'm concerned they'll skip it. A better layout and a few brief bullets may do better and also be more informative.
2. The audience is people who want to get involved, so an overview they can come back to might be helpful. I have assumed this page is linked from the toolkit so they can always find it.
3. It might be better to have a link for "editing", and save the mention of policies there. At the start a user needs to know the basics, that some stuff will be ok and some won't, and "click here to find out which". Then they are reading it *by choice* and it'll probably be more "sticky" as a result.
Words like "policies" may tend to overwhelm or frighten many of those we want to engage.
4. The section for "readers" also includes* "Reading, or want to make improvements and corrections?" *The *unstated thought *is that a reader will also be someone who might want to make a small correction. Gut feel says that a major route is readers who are then tempted to make their first correction, or who need to know they *can *think of it. I'd like to see the effect of including "making a small improvement or correction" *as part of info for end-users*, not just keeping it separate.
Not technically accurate but may be effective this way, as "editing" could be felt as overwhelming (initially) where "make a small correction" may be perceived as empowering. Many people may think "someone should fix that" and despite all our pages, not fully realize the "someone" is allowed to be *them*.
5. *I have not put links in yet.* I would not make individual words, lines, or sentences a link. Link proliferation is a distraction, we found that out in the record 2010 fundraiser. Make each section (except the last) to be *one* link clickable anywhere. Unfortunately (bug 18640https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460) the <a href...> html tag can't be used yet in markup, otherwise I'd make the entirety of each cell a single link to some (short) relevant subpage.
I'd actually like it done via a popup, that appears when you click a cell for information. That's more classy and suited to the richer interface of other modern websites, but outside my skills. Anyone else know where I can find a basic "click this and get a dismissible popup" DIV class? :)
6. Should contain something interesting and engaging too :)
Feedback and any design-related questions welcomed! Not sure where to link this from/to though.
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On 21 February 2011 20:19, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
The person in the video frame that comes up in my browser (Firefox 4.0b11) looks very dismayed :-)
http://oi51.tinypic.com/9zufsy.jpg
- d.
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 February 2011 20:19, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
The person in the video frame that comes up in my browser (Firefox 4.0b11) looks very dismayed :-)
I did a quick fix, setting the thumbtime to a second later when I'm smiling. I'll upload a different version that starts with smiling frames when I get a chance.
-Sage
On 21 February 2011 20:45, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The person in the video frame that comes up in my browser (Firefox 4.0b11) looks very dismayed :-) http://oi51.tinypic.com/9zufsy.jpg
I did a quick fix, setting the thumbtime to a second later when I'm smiling. I'll upload a different version that starts with smiling frames when I get a chance.
YOU ARE SO YOUNG. WHY U SO YOUNG.
- d.
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:06 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 February 2011 20:45, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The person in the video frame that comes up in my browser (Firefox 4.0b11) looks very dismayed :-) http://oi51.tinypic.com/9zufsy.jpg
I did a quick fix, setting the thumbtime to a second later when I'm smiling. I'll upload a different version that starts with smiling frames when I get a chance.
YOU ARE SO YOUNG. WHY U SO YOUNG.
Was that a way of auditioning for the next video, David? :-)
Carcharoth
On 21 February 2011 22:31, Carcharoth carcharothwp@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:06 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
YOU ARE SO YOUNG. WHY U SO YOUNG.
Was that a way of auditioning for the next video, David? :-)
"I'm a middle-aged suburban dad. This is my daughter crawling over me demanding attention. Why not work on the CBeebies articles? You know Octonauts needs proper documentation. You can sing the theme tune by now."
- d.
Thanks, Sage for that wonderful video.
There is still room on that page to add more versions if you feel that we have missed something :-)
/Lennart
2011/2/21 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
On 21 February 2011 22:31, Carcharoth carcharothwp@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:06 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
YOU ARE SO YOUNG. WHY U SO YOUNG.
Was that a way of auditioning for the next video, David? :-)
"I'm a middle-aged suburban dad. This is my daughter crawling over me demanding attention. Why not work on the CBeebies articles? You know Octonauts needs proper documentation. You can sing the theme tune by now."
- d.
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That's great stuff! Quick reactions:
* Redesign version: (-2) way too much text.
* Options version: (-1) nice & simple. But while there are 3 main things you can do from this page, it's layed out as 2 things. For that reason I find it a bit confusing. 1. Learn more... 2. Create my user page 3. Edit a page a. ... in the sandbox b. ... identified by searching for the title
* Video version: (+2) nice! Very much my favorite!
* Easy steps version: (-1) basically, what you get if you didn't click the video in the Video version.
* Bookshelf version: (-1) Hit's me the same way an advertisement would.
* Polish version: (+0) I like the idea of just one thing to do. Maybe more like a wizardy-ish thing, where you go through sequential steps?
* Mod2: (-1) Nice layout, lots of good info. Big improvement over the "Redesign" version. But I imagine the reader will still be overwhelmed. "Don't make me think" got it right. ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Don%27t_Make_Me_Think ).
* Video walkthru: I like the size (width,height) of the video. Could it be tested with different videos to pick one that is "best" for a wide audience? My take on the menu of 7 things under the video are things the enterprising user would hunt for in the menu at the left. I'd take the 7 menu items out.
I like what's been done so far. My day job is actually for a publisher selling computer help for beginners, so thought I'd share a few things we've learnt:
* Address people personally, and try to make them feel included. This is why {{helpme}} is a great invention.
* Bullet points are useful, but prose is engaging too. If you make prose interesting and relevant, believe it or not people *will read it*, even if it's relatively long.
* Screenshots (especially labelled ones) are great for newbies. It's remarkably easy to overlook parts of the interface.
* Videos are even better, plus they can have a more personal touch :-)
* Easily readable text is more important than fancy design. That usually means black, and of a reasonable size. Too many bluelinks in a passage make it harder to read, and can be distracting. Short line lengths are nice too.
And thoughts on what we've got so far:
* Redesign: Seems pretty good, improves on the original which itself has already had quite a lot of work.
* Polish version: Not sure it's a huge help really, throwing them into creating a userpage without much guidance. If this is used it might be a good idea to prefill the edit page a bit to help them.
* Options: To be honest I found it rather confusing. Some boxes to separate the options better would be nice.
* Video1: This is nice, good to see something a bit different.
* Easy steps: I definitely prefer this to the Options one
* Bookshelf: The idea of having a book intro is great, and it provides the opportunity to do some really nice design. But there are parts of the text in this which are almost unreadable.
* mod2 (FT2's version): The overall design is nice, and it's laid out logically. I'd fix the header colours though.
* Video walkthrough: I think this is my favourite. Good job Sage.
Anyway I'll have a crack at making my own version tonight.
Pete / the wub
Great with so many ideas and comments. Feel free to edit the pages or, even better, create your own versions. They don't have to be that impressive now. We can work together to make them better once we knows which way to go.
I will start testing the first one in a few hours. I just realised that I should forwarn people on the System messages changes and feel that we can wait a little to gather consensus.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/22 Peter Coombe thewub.wiki@googlemail.com
I like what's been done so far. My day job is actually for a publisher selling computer help for beginners, so thought I'd share a few things we've learnt:
- Address people personally, and try to make them feel included. This
is why {{helpme}} is a great invention.
- Bullet points are useful, but prose is engaging too. If you make
prose interesting and relevant, believe it or not people *will read it*, even if it's relatively long.
- Screenshots (especially labelled ones) are great for newbies. It's
remarkably easy to overlook parts of the interface.
Videos are even better, plus they can have a more personal touch :-)
Easily readable text is more important than fancy design. That
usually means black, and of a reasonable size. Too many bluelinks in a passage make it harder to read, and can be distracting. Short line lengths are nice too.
And thoughts on what we've got so far:
- Redesign: Seems pretty good, improves on the original which itself
has already had quite a lot of work.
- Polish version: Not sure it's a huge help really, throwing them into
creating a userpage without much guidance. If this is used it might be a good idea to prefill the edit page a bit to help them.
- Options: To be honest I found it rather confusing. Some boxes to
separate the options better would be nice.
Video1: This is nice, good to see something a bit different.
Easy steps: I definitely prefer this to the Options one
Bookshelf: The idea of having a book intro is great, and it provides
the opportunity to do some really nice design. But there are parts of the text in this which are almost unreadable.
- mod2 (FT2's version): The overall design is nice, and it's laid out
logically. I'd fix the header colours though.
- Video walkthrough: I think this is my favourite. Good job Sage.
Anyway I'll have a crack at making my own version tonight.
Pete / the wub
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On 2/22/2011 4:20 AM, Peter Coombe wrote:
- Screenshots (especially labelled ones) are great for newbies. It's
remarkably easy to overlook parts of the interface.
Pages like this come to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page (soon to be moved to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing).
-MuZemike
I like the video, Sage. Good text, crisp clear delivery, decent video appearance.
One thing I'd change is, watch again the bit around 1:25 - 1:37 covering "stuff you might want to know about before editing". A new user hearing that long list could well go "oh my god" and be discouraged. A link to a long text page like "ABOUT" has become, is also not easy for most newcomers (users here are not typical of newcomers).
Overall it's *crucial* to keep the "list of stuff to learn" easy and light. I think MediaWiki needs a built-in generic popup-and-dismiss function, so that information pages can have icons and text where more information appears only if needed (with a "close" icon), allowing lower text density.
This could be a useful resource too:- I wrote [[Wikipedia:Expectations and norms of the Wikipedia communityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Expectations_and_norms_of_the_Wikipedia_community]] as a quick attempt to explain the basis of how we work, and our norms *as a community* in concise form, in a style specifically to make sense to newcomers.
It covers almost all usual expectations and the rational foundation of the community, in a reasonable space. If it could be made even easier (less text? graphical? popups for detail?) then it could be useful material for this discussion.
FT2
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:
Since it's a WMF holiday and I can do whatever I want with my time, I made one too. ;)
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
Like FT2, I welcome any edits to make it look better. And feedback about the content is of course welcome too. I can always do more takes with revised scripts.
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihannibal@gmail.com wrote:
This is good. I'll make sure we'll test this as well.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/21 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com
I'm not usually one for graphic design, so this could probably do with improving and relevant links adding.
I've added a version that could be helpful at
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
What I'm hoping to address are:
- Layouts "original version" and "redesign" are too close to "wall of
text" for many newcomers. Even though they are simple short bullet
lists
with icons, I'm concerned they'll skip it. A better layout and a few brief bullets may do better and also be more informative.
- The audience is people who want to get involved, so an overview
they
can come back to might be helpful. I have assumed this page is linked from the toolkit so they can always find it.
- It might be better to have a link for "editing", and save the
mention
of policies there. At the start a user needs to know the basics, that some stuff will be ok and some won't, and "click here to find out which".
Then
they are reading it *by choice* and it'll probably be more "sticky" as
a
result.
Words like "policies" may tend to overwhelm or frighten many of those
we
want to engage.
- The section for "readers" also includes* "Reading, or want to make
improvements and corrections?" *The *unstated thought *is that a
reader
will also be someone who might want to make a small correction. Gut
feel
says that a major route is readers who are then tempted to make their first correction, or who need to know they *can *think of it. I'd like to
see
the effect of including "making a small improvement or correction" *as part of info for end-users*, not just keeping it separate.
Not technically accurate but may be effective this way, as "editing" could be felt as overwhelming (initially) where "make a small
correction"
may be perceived as empowering. Many people may think "someone should fix that" and despite all our pages, not fully realize the "someone" is allowed to be *them*.
- *I have not put links in yet.* I would not make individual words,
lines, or sentences a link. Link proliferation is a distraction, we
found
that out in the record 2010 fundraiser. Make each section (except the last) to be *one* link clickable anywhere. Unfortunately (bug 18640https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460) the <a href...> html tag can't be used yet in markup, otherwise I'd
make
the entirety of each cell a single link to some (short) relevant subpage.
I'd actually like it done via a popup, that appears when you click a
cell
for information. That's more classy and suited to the richer interface
of
other modern websites, but outside my skills. Anyone else know where I can find a basic "click this and get a dismissible popup" DIV class? :)
- Should contain something interesting and engaging too :)
Feedback and any design-related questions welcomed! Not sure where to link this from/to though.
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The video intro is awesome, Sage :) I'd love to see more variations on a theme with various people, too -- and maybe some experimentation with interspersing screenshots etc. But I like it because it is short and to the point and friendly, and it gives a human face to a kind of intimidating wall o'text. And I am not normally a person who likes videos :)
cheers, phoebe
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Since it's a WMF holiday and I can do whatever I want with my time, I made one too. ;)
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
Like FT2, I welcome any edits to make it look better. And feedback about the content is of course welcome too. I can always do more takes with revised scripts.
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihannibal@gmail.com wrote:
This is good. I'll make sure we'll test this as well.
Best wishes,
Lennart
2011/2/21 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com
I'm not usually one for graphic design, so this could probably do with improving and relevant links adding.
I've added a version that could be helpful at
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Test...
What I'm hoping to address are:
1. Layouts "original version" and "redesign" are too close to "wall of text" for many newcomers. Even though they are simple short bullet lists with icons, I'm concerned they'll skip it. A better layout and a few brief bullets may do better and also be more informative.
2. The audience is people who want to get involved, so an overview they can come back to might be helpful. I have assumed this page is linked from the toolkit so they can always find it.
3. It might be better to have a link for "editing", and save the mention of policies there. At the start a user needs to know the basics, that some stuff will be ok and some won't, and "click here to find out which". Then they are reading it *by choice* and it'll probably be more "sticky" as a result.
Words like "policies" may tend to overwhelm or frighten many of those we want to engage.
4. The section for "readers" also includes* "Reading, or want to make improvements and corrections?" *The *unstated thought *is that a reader will also be someone who might want to make a small correction. Gut feel says that a major route is readers who are then tempted to make their first correction, or who need to know they *can *think of it. I'd like to see the effect of including "making a small improvement or correction" *as part of info for end-users*, not just keeping it separate.
Not technically accurate but may be effective this way, as "editing" could be felt as overwhelming (initially) where "make a small correction" may be perceived as empowering. Many people may think "someone should fix that" and despite all our pages, not fully realize the "someone" is allowed to be *them*.
5. *I have not put links in yet.* I would not make individual words, lines, or sentences a link. Link proliferation is a distraction, we found that out in the record 2010 fundraiser. Make each section (except the last) to be *one* link clickable anywhere. Unfortunately (bug 18640https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460) the <a href...> html tag can't be used yet in markup, otherwise I'd make the entirety of each cell a single link to some (short) relevant subpage.
I'd actually like it done via a popup, that appears when you click a cell for information. That's more classy and suited to the richer interface of other modern websites, but outside my skills. Anyone else know where I can find a basic "click this and get a dismissible popup" DIV class? :)
6. Should contain something interesting and engaging too :)
Feedback and any design-related questions welcomed! Not sure where to link this from/to though.
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