Carcharoth, we evidently edit entirely different wikis.
"You may get something done in the short term, but
you end up not
building in infrastructure and culture for the future. Quick fixes to
problems don't scale. You need long-term, sustainable systems that
work. A bullheaded quick fix might look good, but a few years later
you find that the problem has come back and got worse."
What "quick fixes"??? The problem is that nothing gets done short or long
term. My approach doesn't produce "quick fixes" for the impatient, I have
been at some of the issues patiently for years and getting nothing done, or
little and only be attrition. Perhaps an aggressive approach seldom works,
but the opposite of civil patience shows no sign of working any better.
You are right, you /should/ be able to demonstrate that civil patience is
more productive than bullheadedness, the problem is that the evidence is at
best neutral.
-----Original Message-----
From: wikien-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Carcharoth
Sent: 01 February 2011 17:54
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender
gap in Wikipedia contributors} - repost
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, wiki <doc.wikipedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
1) the qualities one needs to get anything done in
Wikipedia are
generally,
tenacity and bullheadedness. Drawing enough attention
to the issue and
breaking through the natural apathy and inertia of the wider community is
also essential (and that, frankly, often involved strategic drama-stirring
and a willingness to battle vested-interests).
I think that is a short-sighted view.
You may get something done in the short term, but you end up not
building in infrastructure and culture for the future. Quick fixes to
problems don't scale. You need long-term, sustainable systems that
work. A bullheaded quick fix might look good, but a few years later
you find that the problem has come back and got worse.
I would focus on:
WP:CHRONIC INCIVILITY (as a subset of WP:RFC/U)
WP:LONG-TERM (to pull together long-term issues and see them through)
Carcharoth
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