May I suggest that we NOT use specific, unprecursed pronouns, because they are ambiguous. General pronouns are appropriate for general, nonspecific references, but when using "you" please precurse it with a specific proper noun (antecedent). Thanks. it'd keep you from whining (or whinging was it?) on the mailing lists and IRC..." Who is "you"? Does the writer of the above mean: "... I'd favor an unban (using the Flameviper account) if it'd keep [Flameviper] from whining (or whinging was it?) on the mailing lists and IRC..." ... or does the writer of the above mean: "... I'd favor an unban (using the Flameviper account) if it'd keep [David Goodman or Peter B. Monahon, authors of previous post which the writer was responding to] from whining (or whinging was it?) on the mailing lists and IRC..." ... or: "... I'd favor an unban (using the Flameviper account) if it'd keep [Flameviper or David Goodman or Peter B. Monahon] from whining (or whinging was it?) on the mailing lists and IRC..." ... or: "... I'd favor an unban (using the Flameviper account) if it'd keep you [all, that is, all discussions of banning on the mailing list] from whining (or whinging was it?) on the mailing lists and IRC..." ... or ... Argh! Just shoot me and get it over with! <http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l>