Paul Vogel wrote:
"Paul Vogel wrote: a bunch of hysterics"
Paul Vogel wrote a "bunch of hysterics"? or an ilk
of
lying hypocrites have, David, in a bigoted attempt
to
have me BANNED, BLOCKED, and CENSORED????
"Paul, I advise you to cease your campaign of
flooding
the mailing list with your complaints."
I advise you to cease your "personal insults" of "hysterics". The mailing list needs to be made aware
of this "ilk" or group of censorious pov bigots that are falsely attempting to block, ban, or censor me.
I'm sorry if you were insulted by my use of the word "hysterics" but your messages did seem to me to be characterized by overwhelming emotional excess. Please note however, that I didn't call you "hysterical". I simply characterized your complaints as "hysterics".
I do find it "interesting" that you have pov only "characterized" my complaints as being "hysterics", when the ones that are actually engaging in "hysterics" are an ilk of censorious pov bigots that are falsely slandering and lying, and hypocritically blocking, banning, and pov censoring me?
"They are inappropriately offensive and this list is an inappropriate place to engage in such arguments."
It is offensive and inappropriate for you to defend any such ilks censorship,lying hypocrisy, and
selfish bigotry.
Perhaps it is offensive or inappropriate of me to defend "ilks censorship", whatever that is, but that doesn't change the fact that your behavior was inappropriate and I don't see any evidence on your part to acknowledge that you are behaving inappropriately. This is about you, not me.
It was both offensive and inappropriate for you to defend this "ilks" censorship, lying hypocrisy, and bigoted slander, and that same kind of biased pov "behavior" is actually about you and is not about me.
"If you have complaints about how you or your ideas are being treated, I invite you to follow the procedures outlined in
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution".
I already had, and they fell on deaf ears, David.
Your request for arbitration is still active. Once four arbitrators approve hearing the case, then the case will move forward into arbitration. This part of dispute resolution does not move quickly, so I advise you to be calm and patient while the matter is in arbitration.
I have been both calm and patient but I will not be silenced by pov bigots and I will let everyone within the Wikipedia community know whether or not actual "justice" and actual "fairness" is being served and observed in my case, and without any biased pov DOUBLE-STANDARDS.
"The postings you have made to the mailing list
today are not likely to be looked kindly upon by the members of the arbitration committee if your case should appear before them."
Only if they themselves are bigots, and do refuse to see the factual evidence that is made available to them.
Calling people names and making other ad hominem attacks is inappropriate. Your postings to the mailing list today contained such attacks in violation of Wikipedia policy. Those are facts that the arbitrators will consider.
On the contrary, those are NOT the FACTS, they are only your own biased pov. The facts actually are that some here are only enforcing DOUBLE-STANDARDS, and some here are falsely slandering me in a bigoted and pov attempt to have me blocked, banned, and censored. Those are the actual facts that the arbitrators should really consider, if they are not bigoted pov censors and are not slanderous and lying hypocrites, themselves.
"I would like to point out to you that there have
been
previous instances when exteremly upset Wikipedians have gone on posting rampages making wild accusations on the mailing list, as you have."
I am sure that this has happened before, with other innocent victims, and also with some well and with some deserving "Trolls" and "Vandals", which I am
NOT.
I have not accused you of being a troll or vandal. I am just pointing out that your behavior on the mailing list is in violation of Wikipedia policy and you may be subject to sanctions such as banning as a result of your behavior.
The "ilk" of which I have been speaking has falsely slandered and accused me of being a troll or vandal. The violations of Wiki Policy have been on the part of these pov hypocritical liars, bigots, and censors that are enforcing DOUBLE-STANDARDS within Wikipedia. If this "ilk" are NOT SUBJECT to sanctions based upon that "behavior" of violation of Wikipedia Policy then I will not abide by any such DOUBLE-STANDARDS and by any such UNFAIRNESS of SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT of such POLICIES.
Your beliefs and ideas that you want to include on Wikipedia are not in question here. In fact, I have no idea what they are as I haven't investigated this dispute at all except for reading your inappropriate postings to the mailing list.
You have a right to your own pov opinion as to whether or not my postings to the mailing list are appropriate or not. I have seen such postings by others, and yourself included, that seemed equally "inappropriate" in my own pov. So what?
"All those users have either left Wikipedia or ended up permanently banned."
Indeed. Do NOT throw out the good with the bad, as I do actually suspect has really happened here and as
often
as NOT.
We here at Wikipedia believe that in order to participate here, you have to follow our guidelines and policies for behavior. If you fail to do so, you will be subject to sanctions. This information is very clearly stated on many pages on Wikipedia.
I don't have any real problem with actually ever doing so, IF, they are being enforced without ANY pov bias and without ANY pov DOUBLE-STANDARDS.
"If you have any interest at all in continuing to contribute to Wikipedia, I suggest you start behaving within the policies and guidelines
for behavior set by Wikipedia, EVEN IF you believe that > others are not obeying the policies."
NO!!! Either EVERYONE is TREATED EQUALLY, and without ANY DOUBLE-STANDARDS, with those POLICIES, or this WIKI PROJECT is being run by CENSOROUS and HYPOCRITICAL LIARS and POV BIGOTS, David.
This is a false dichotomy. There are many alternate possibilities.
Really? What are those many other likely alternative possibilities? I don't think so.
Also, again, this screaming and personal attacks are inappropriate. I am sorry you feel that Wikipedia is not well-run, but do you really believe that screaming on the mailing list is going to change any of that?
I am neither "screaming" nor "personally attacking" anyone. Wikipedia will not be well-run if it does not enforce its own rules and without bias and without such DOUBLE-STANDARDS. Those on this mailing list may not wish to stay on board this project if they see any such biased pov bigotry and any such DOUBLE-STANDARDS of the enforcement of Wikipedia Policies and by any such an "ilk" of censorious and lying hypocrites and pov slanderous bigots.
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
Then support the rights, and NOT the WRONGS. BE a REAL MAN!
I'm not supporting or rejecting anything. All I've done is point out to you that your behavior is unacceptable. It doesn't matter to me what anyone else did to make you behave this way.
You pointing out my behavior, alone, as what is being "unacceptable" is just lying hypocrisy. I consider your pov bias as being "unacceptable".
The only question here that I am considering is your behavior on the mailing list. I am trying to maintain civility here on the mailing list and you are compromising that civility with your name-calling.
I have been quite "civil" on this mailing list, especially considering the actually false and the slanderous "name-calling" behavior of your own ilk, of lying hypocrites and censorious pov bigots, Fred.
Let me be clear: I don't have an issue with you, I have an issue with your behavior.
Likewise, with your own pov bias, and with the behavior of the bigoted pov "ilk" that is always slanderously and quite falsely attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored here.
"Finally, since you seem to have totally flown off
the
handle, I expect you are unlikely to do any of what
I
ask."
Indeed. You first. Lead by example.
I do consider your own "person insult" pov of my having "totally flown off the handle" to just be another clear example of "the pot calling the kettle black", or just more "lying hypocrisy", on your own pov part.
I'm not the one SCREAMING and calling people names, you are.
I am actually doing neither. My caps are only to underline or to highlight my main points and they are not meant to mean screaming, whatsoever.
"Don't be surprised, then, when people treat you abusively in response to your treating them abusively."
Indeed, but, you do always forget that it has been
the other way around. Your own pov bias and lying hypocrisy is showing.
The only matter that I have made any statement concerning is your behavior. Perhaps your claim of my being biased and hypocritical might hold some weight if there were another campaign of complaints being made to the mailing list that I was ignoring in favor of focusing on you.
There already is, and as can be clearly seen in the pov "reactions" to my valid complaints on this here mailing list.
I see no other such campaign; therefore your accusations of bias and hypocrisy are unfounded.
You only "see" what you want to "see", and mostly due to your own pov bias, and no more and no less.
I would like to add that the Wikipedia community is very forgiving. However, forgiveness is only shown to those who show remorse for their actions. No matter who you are, if you fail to follow the policies, then you will be subject to sanctions.
I have done nothing to warrent any such "sanctions". Such Wiki Policies must be EQUALLY ENFORCED and without ANY DOUBLE-STANDARDS or selective BIAS or they are totally without any MERIT. Rule by FIAT is for TYRANTS and this Wiki community won't abide by any such TYRANTS for long.
You have already admitted that you have attempted to elude those sanctions, which is also a violation of policy, regardless of whether the sanctions were applied appropriately or not.
I do completely disagree. If the sanctions were based upon false pov slander, rather than upon the actual facts, which they were, then they have no validity, whatsoever.
You are not above the rules here. Everyone is subject to them.
Not from what I have seen here, the "ilk" that is attempting to block, ban, and censor me, do not seem to be "subject to them", whatsoever. I don't abide by ANY DOUBLE-STANDARDS of biased enforcement of the rules, anywhere.
Unless you start now and show that you're willing to follow the policies and obey the rules, you should expect to be punished for your violations.
Unless the rules are applied to EVERYONE EQUALLY, without DOUBLE-STANDARDS and without selective BIAS, the rules should NOT be followed by ANYONE, and NO ONE should also be punished for any such violations, period.
You need to cease your inappropriate behavior, apologize, and promise that it won't happen again. You also need to promise that you will, starting now, obey all the rules and policies of Wikipedia. You should be a "REAL MAN" and start the healing process by being the first to admit your wrongs.
My "behavior" has not been "inappropriate" here in the first place. Where and when it ever has been, "inappropriate" here, in my belief or pov, I have duly apologized. I do not apologize for whatever I do believe to be the TRUTH. I will abide by any such rules and policies that are enforced without any pov bias, or without DOUBLE-STANDARDS and otherwise, not.
Finally, I have made the fourth agreement to hear your case, so your case is officially in arbitration now. I suggest you make your case on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel
and place evidence on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel/evidence
and the arbitrators will hear your case.
I will do so and just as soon as I can.
Thanks! :D
Paul Vogel
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