It is highly dishonorable to talk behind someones back although you did mention the mailing list on my talk page. If you have a problem with me, please use my talk page. Your personal problems with me does not concern rest of wikipedia. And if it does concern rest of wikipedia there is arbcom or rfc. 1. Should we declare war on vandals: Firstly define "war". a. If you suggest reverting vandalism is war. Then yes there shall be war. b. If you are suggesting using bots to monitor every edit on wikipedia, then let there be war c. Fighting vandalism does not mean you get to bite newbies. Thats the major thing I tried to emphecise with the Counter Vandalism Unit. 2. You practicaly are campaigning against everything RC patrolers are doing ranging from opposing semi-protection, Counter Vandalism Unit to Anti-vandalism barnstar. I do not think you have any idea the level of vandalism wikipedia has. I'll give you two easy examples. See the history of my talk page. Check past 5000 edits. you will see about 5+ vandal bot attacks. Also see articles such as [[Geroge W. Bush]]. Articles such as [[George W. Bush]] is finaly reliable. Aka when you load the page you do not see random images of genetials. Granted Bush is a dick as far as I care but I'd rather have an encyclopedic article about him rather than a picture of someone elses dick. 3. I am at a state of war against some vandals, spesificaly ones that use wikimedia vunrabilities to get good users blocked. There are vandals whom could spoof IPs of good users and get them blocked. The more extreme vandals get, the more exreme I will get. I'd like to note I am "warring" bare handed. I cannot block a vandals. If we don't declare "war" on persistant vandals who only seek to vandalise wikipedia we created for their amusement. We need to "war" against vandalism. The ultimate battle strategy is to destroy the will of the opponent to fight. Most vandals stop after test warnings or a 5-15 minute "warning" block. Provoking vandals is just asking for more. 4. I invite you to RC patrol for several days. Feel free to join us at #wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode. In an enviorment you are assuming good faith there should be no reason why you should not give it a try. 5. RC patroling is not an easy task. It requires dedication of numerous people watching practicaly thousands of edits per hour. For that we RC patrolers only ask to be left alone, we don't even require patting in the back. Just let us do our work and allow people to recognise our hard work by giving us the Anti-vandalism barnstar. Vandalism can only be fought with comunity concensus, a joint effort. Tens of vandalism happens per hour. Mostly highschool kids testing or some congressman blanking contraversies about him or some disturbed individual who likes to replace pages with images of penises. It is absolutely painfull for RC patrolers to be sconred upon for fighting against vandalism. Cool Cat