White Cat wrote: My question (and it was a *question*) was not about whether this is a mailing list or an article. It was about your attitude, and attitude matters whether it's on a mailing list, a wiki, in person, on IRC, or wherever, because it seeps from any of these very quickly into the others. The people who gripe about detrimental attitudes on IRC, or RfA, or AfD, are complaining because they feel those attitudes end up affecting articles. What I intended was to highlight the very serious problem of taking a cavalier attitude toward facts. Unfortunately, exactly the attitude you expressed is too common among our contributors and is responsible for a great deal of the damage Wikipedia's reputation has endured. Do you want to contribute to that, or do you want to fix it? --Michael Snow