On 10/18/05, Alphax <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Admins can think what they like. Just as long as they follow policy and comunity consensus when useing admin powers.

On 10/18/05, Alphax <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: No - the point is that, like any other "elected" position, you need to shut up about your actual opinions, recite platitudes, and kss babies. NEVER reveal your true intentions to make the world a better place, or you will be shot down.

Think about it like this - I think that AfD is a cesspool, and I have no interest in closing debates. I don't want to be attacks for making judgement calls the way that Tony is. So, to parallel your experience, if I said that I don't want to close AfD debates, I assume that people would say "he doesn't want AfD debates to ever get closed, he wants them to stay open forever". :)

On 10/18/05, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote: [[Wikipedia:Non-main namespace pages for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency]]

This procedure is also supported by the deletion guidelines for administrators. We don't keep copyright infringements, no matter how many people say "keep", no matter even what fine reasons we give for keeping.

geni wrote: The problem is in letting a particular issue guide the more general policy. That is bound to create injustices in places where they are unforseen. I did personally delete the now famous lolicon image from Wiktionary, and I'm in constant debate with people who want to generate lists of unverified "naughty words". But I would not be so naïve as to blindly resist any community consensus to keep these. At the same time I believe in perpetually open process that can change results with the times without the need for newcomers to feel left out of the decisons. If there is a general consensus that pedophilic images should be banned from the project I don't think that leaving that debate open is going to change anything; it is reasonable to expect that newbies will divide in the same ratio as established editors. There is an unfortunate tendency in established communities to believe that what has happened in a community up to a given point in time is the best that could be. A really open Wiki community needs to leave room for new ideas, and needs to be open to changing virtually all policies. This is especially important for policies where the support for either side is marginal Now that Wikipedia has become such a huge Wiki it is important to have decision-making become scalable. Ec _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

geni wrote: Apparantly community consensus doens't include putting thought into closing deletion debates; admins are supposed to count the numbers and press the magic button. Draw circle on desk. Bang head here.

On 10/18/05, Alphax <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Admins can think what they like. Just as long as they follow policy and comunity consensus when useing admin powers.

Ok lets see how much support you can get for a policy change along the lines of "admins will be allowed greater disscression when closeing AFDs"

On 10/18/05, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote: Show me where policy says admins can go against a consensus to keep or delete.