Someone asked me to comment on the meta cleanup project, and foundation-l is subscription-only, so I guess I'll comment here.
Basically, I agree with a lot of what Anthere said on the foundation-list. I think a lot of people that come to meta freak out a lot when they see the funky essays and don't realize that meta is sort of a seperate project. What Walter said on Meta:Babel is pretty accurate too - it is the bus station for several wiki projects. In terms of the cleanup project in general though I thought/think it is a great idea - cleanup on meta is always welcome - however, there were just a lot of bad tags, perhaps due to recent changes in deletion policy (or rather, more recent ambiguity), and I myself was a little abrupt at times. The whole ironic part is that even though several were claiming there wasn't a "meta community" I think a few prospectives for administrator are finding out that there indeed is a bit of one...
I also stated in agreement with David that at times it is a bit the "personal wiki" of the stewards on Meta:Babel. Really though, it is sort of a semi-serious thing, I mean there isn't exactly a whole lot of policy debates there relating to meta because it itself is fairly clearly defined as to what it is - i.e. a sort of MeatBall-esque wiki - and there isn't a TON of activity. Personally, I find it as a "feature" that you can still track things with recent changes :). Besides, the stewards there are by far doing a good portion of that work so the fact that it is "run" by them is probably a result of activity more then anything else.
Anyway, I hope people don't give up on cleaning up meta. You can still have nearly all the interproject pages you need - and just having the essays there isn't going to hurt that too much.
P.S. "Don't be a dick" is up for being moved AGAIN. Really, this thing should just be on english because while it is tolerable there in non-english languages it can be unnecessarily unruly. "Don't be a jerk" is probably a decent replacement, albiet less traditional.
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Ryan Norton wrote:
P.S. "Don't be a dick" is up for being moved AGAIN. Really, this thing should just be on english because while it is tolerable there in non-english languages it can be unnecessarily unruly. "Don't be a jerk" is probably a decent replacement, albiet less traditional.
Your en and meta administrator [[w:User:RN]] [[m:User:RN]]
Hold on...
This is brillant...
After all, several of the emails to the list mentionned that some of the pages of this type were on meta, while others were on the english project. It is unclear why some are here and others are there...
I doubt none english are really using this page... while english editors refer to it quite a lot. So, why not moving it (back ?) to the english wikipedia... which will avoid it being listed for renaming every couple of months ?
Ant
(who absolutely do not care where this page is - just care that the issue just keep coming up)
On 4/4/06, Anthere Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
I doubt none english are really using this page... while english editors refer to it quite a lot. So, why not moving it (back ?) to the english wikipedia... which will avoid it being listed for renaming every couple of months ?
If people are interested in why it was moved in the first place, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Don%27t_...
"Move to meta (historically the place where such things reside) or BJAODN, only Delete if supporters refuse to agree with either of first two options (yeah, I know, it's an Iasson-esque vote, but not much other way of handling this). It is a quasi-humorous expression of the frustration many of us feel with the inability of current policy to deal with POV-pushers who game the rules, dance close to personal attacks, and generally seek to anger/annoy admins into doing something remotely wrong so that spurious RFCs and RfARs can be filed. As such, it might be good to preserve it, but it can't be anywhere that makes it look like official policy. m:The Wrong Version is a classic example penned by Angela -- it is funny, it expresses a frustration we often feel, and it lives somewhere that makes it clear it's not actually site policy. Jwrosenzweig 18:11, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)"
-- Sam