On Feb 19, 2008 10:35 PM, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 19/02/2008, Wily D
<wilydoppelganger(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Err, this isn't really true. There are a
number of interrelated
things people find offensive, including both the publication of the
images and the exposure to the images (as well as a host of other
things). While the publication of the images isn't really up for
negotiation (for instance, they'll remain on commons (where there are
currently at least 37 historic images of Muhammad)) the various levels
of exposure can be addressed more to people's satisfactions. For
instance, someone genuinely offended by the images who nonetheless
wants to work on/read the Wikipedia article can use the solutions
offered there.
So you suggest rejecting out of hand demands that such images be
removed from entirely?
In the specific instance of Commons that I cite? I suspect I'm in no
position to single-handedly make such a rejection, but I would argue
at some point our mission statement has to kick in.
As I understand the situation at Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons
controversy, which has a hidden hatnote that reads:
NOTE ABOUT THE IMAGE:
For many days, discussions occurred and polls were conducted on this
article's talk pages. In February 2006 the supermajority (over 80% of
contributing editors) decision was to keep the image displayed as it
currently is without a "linkimage" and with no added warning template
or text. Based upon this result, unilateral (without general
consensus) removal, hiding, relocation or resizing of this image
(particularly in a repetitive fashion) will be considered disruptive
editing, detrimental to Wikipedia, and may result in a block of your
account and/or IP address.
Additionally, polls were taken regarding adding image warnings to this
article, with the polls deciding that, as with the rest of Wikipedia's
articles, no warning shall be added to this one. If you wish to
discuss aspects of the display of the image of the cartoons, please do
so in a civil manner by posting in the image discussion area of this
article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controv…
Do not unilaterally remove images or add image warnings. Thanks!
If you wish to avoid seeing the image of the cartoons on this article,
follow these steps:
* Create an account
* Go to the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mypage/monobook.css?action=edit
* Add #mi{display: none;}
Afterwards the image will not show. Following these steps does not
edit the article itself, just how it is presented to you personally.
However there is a slight risk of disrupting your browser's
presentation of other articles which contain similar code. Further
details are available on the above Image-Display Talk Page.
It's more or less decided those will stay there "for some indefinite
future".
Ultimately on the various foundation sites, everything remains
negotiable in perpetuity. But "in the forseeable future, where no
substantial change to the foundation's goals & purpose takes place",
yes I'd reject the idea of removing them from Commons, for instance
WilyD