Jon Awbrey wrote: The SNR of your posts is about -10dB. Please stop. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

On 7/2/06, Jon Awbrey &lt;jawbrey(a)att.net&gt; wrote: <snip> Ok, enough's enough. This conversation is going nowhere, and since you're not banned from Wikipedia, would you mind carrying out this character defence there rather than here? Any point to this thread seems to have disappeared a long time ago. With the possible and limited exception of banned users, we are not here to discuss the merits of individual editors, who in any case have apparently decided they no longer want anything to do with us. Would it be ok with everyone if I declared this exit interview over? Steve

o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o Steve Bennett wrote: <snip>s & <snail>s Steve, I said right up front that I have no need and no intention of defending my individual character as an editor or a scholar in this effort to provide the WP community with my observations over the past six months. But a modicum of incidental chit-chat aside from any greater purpose does not seem to be out of bounds with what I observe on a day-to-day basis on this List. It is clear that some folks are desperately seeking any sort of excuse they can cook up not to listen to the kinds of responsible feedback that I am hardly alone in providing. This is understandable in human terms -- bad news, even if accurate, especially when accurate, is never welcome -- but it will not serve either the WP effort, nor any future effort of its kind, to ignore the lessons of actual experience. The bear-baiting and messenger-killing tactics -- that some people will resort to in order to keep from having to consider any kind of critical analyis -- are quite familiar as a rule: A defender of the faith spews a flaming mass of pure invective into the forum, and the mildest response on the part of the invectee is then condemned as being off-topic. Very typical, but hardly to the greater purpose. Jon Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Jon_Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o

On 7/3/06, Jon Awbrey &lt;jawbrey(a)att.net&gt; wrote: Parting shots at the community you're disenchanted with is not "incidental chit chat". You haven't provided any useful "responsible feedback". Instead, criticisms, accusations of rot in the system that appear to be unfounded, etc etc. This discussion is definitely not serving the WP effort. No, we like critical analysis, and we do a lot of it on this list. We're seasoned navel-gazers, and proud of it. You've had your chance to join in, but it's just not working out. Ok, can we move on now? Thanks. Steve