Mgm
On 1/1/06, homey2005(a)sympatico.ca <homey2005(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
Point taken. However, the term "white nationalism" is much more firmly
established than "childlove". See for instance "The New White Nationalism
in
America", a scholarly book by Carol M. Swain. And also, white nationalist
claim to be different than white supremacists thus a distiction is made
(though whether it's a real distinction or just a matter of hiding one's
views in order to make them more palatable is an issue).
Conversely, there is no distinction between "childlove" and
"pedophilia".
The former is a pure synonym for the latter and its purpose is not to draw a
distinction of some sort but to serve as a euphemism.
Homey
From: Fastfission <fastfission(a)gmail.com>
Date: 2006/01/01 Sun PM 03:17:10 EST
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] Article: Childlove movement
On 1/1/06, homey2005(a)sympatico.ca <homey2005(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
> That's insufficient for NPOV, indeed to use a term simply because a
particular group uses it is very POV. We should not use a euphemism simply
because advocates prefer it. If we did we'd be referring to "white
nationalists" rather than "white supremacists", "Racial
rationalists" rather
than "racists", "Historical revisionists" rather than "Holocaust
deniers".
Not to put a bee in your bonnet but we do have an article on [[White
nationalism]]. It actually provides a pretty good example of the best
way of dealing with this sort of thing:
"White nationalism is a political and social movement to advance the
social and economic interests of white or Caucasian people."
"White nationalists explicitly deny being racial supremacists, arguing
that they merely wish for each group of people with shared heritage,
including white people, to be allowed to promote and preserve its
heritage, and do not desire to oppress or dominate other races as
racial supremacists do. Critics, however, argue that white nationalism
intersects with, or is a euphemism for, white supremacy."
Now obviously in all cases this level of "neutrality" is not
completely warranted -- something like "Holohoax" for example which is
nothing but a perjorative. I don't know enough about the case in
question to have any worthwhile opinion but I think this is the sort
of thing that MGM is getting at. Other examples include distinctions
like [[Pro-life]]/[[Anti-abortion movement]].
When something is legitimately a proper name of a "movement" or
organized campaign it should generally have an article using its
established name, even if it very quickly explains that the name
itself is in dispute. Generally speaking, of course.
FF
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