Both realities must be fitted in here. The community rejects a broad blanket ban. They
generally support remove of links to external attacks. Calling every critical site an
attack site is no good. Pretending that some sites are anything but attack sites is no
good either. A critical site that also engages in persistent unfair attacks on our users
and engages in outing such as Wikipedia Review presents us with difficult choices. A site
such as Encyclopedia Dramatica that contains little or no legitimate critical content
combined with vicious personal attacks on their main page does not. If they want to
advertise their site, they need to buy ads.
Bottom line: It is our responsibility to support our users and take reasonable steps to
protect them from harassment both on Wikipedia and on external sites. Question is, what
are reasonable steps? Obviously the ban on the drama site ED is effective, else its
partisans would not be complaining so bitterly and fighting so hard. A blanket ban on WR
is more difficult, involving actual users of Wikipedia, some of whom from time to time may
have legitimate grievances. The problem is, they add to the problems they already have by
posting regularly to a site that sometimes engages in harassment of our users.
If a user regularly engages in edit warring and other disruptive activities such as
repeated personal attacks on Wikipedia, they will eventually get banned or blocked,
Turning to their "friends" at Wikipedia Review is unlikely to prove a path back
to Wikipedia editing, especially if they engage in the very behavior there which got them
banned here.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Blu Aardvark [mailto:jeffrey.latham@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 03:13 PM
To: 'English Wikipedia'
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattackkkkkkk site link policy
Yet it has more lives than I have sockpuppets. It doesn't always appear
in the same form, but every time you turn around, some overzealous
editor is pushing to enforce an issue which is, essentially, the same as
the rejected "attack sites" policy.
Fred Bauder wrote:
Rejected by the community.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Bauder [mailto:fredbaud@waterwiki.info]
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 11:31 AM
To: 'English Wikipedia'
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattackkkkk site link policy
So what happened to the attack sites proposal? (I was busy doing other things)
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: The Mangoe [mailto:the.mangoe@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'English Wikipedia'
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattackkk site link policy
On 7/2/07, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)waterwiki.info> wrote:
> I recall no arbitration ruling which relates to Wikipedia Review.
>
Perhaps you have forgotten then that the "attack sites" proposal was
directed at it.
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