The Cunctator said: I think there is a definite failure to engage with the subject matter here. Whatever happened to the sweet old idea of just, for one day in the whole year, doing something unexpected, out of character and insincere? Not in a mean, vituperative way, but simply to spread the joy of life. Can't we just put that lovely toilet roll holder on the front page. *once*? Has Wikipedia become so anal?>

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:10:53 +0100 (BST), Tony Sidaway <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com> wrote: you mean like bucking a trend on the net? Everyone will be doing April Fool's for various values of april the first. It is so last century. -- geni

Andy Roberts wrote on 2005/03/31 01:25: Not getting it, sorry. I know my question came late in the game, but that's because Jimbo's suggestion also came late. I was all for having "European toilet paper holder" featured directly on the Main page on April 1, but I'm all against the page being used in such a poor jape as "Click here to see our April Fool's Page." Please note that this is not a protest against that use, though. It's a *question*, as to whether anybody will care if I do protest. I will only actually do it if the other contributors want me to. (Sorry if this arrives twice, I'm still getting the hang of posting to the list.) Bishonen

MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote on 2005/03/31 11:37: Written for April Fool's day? Why, no, not at all. It was written as a joke between friends, for comedic bonding, it's basically a dialogue. That doesn't show in the product, but then it wasn't written for a product but for the writing process itself, the back-and-forth. Modestly, if we had been going for an April 1 hoax page, I think we could have made a funnier one. But the process has been hilarious, for my taste, and surely harmless to wikipedia, or even beneficial. The contributors are all committed and productive editors, and some of us were getting close to burning out on the project. The joking-around cheered us up. The userspace isn't paper. When there began to *be* a product there, an imperect one, I thought I might nominate it on WP:FAC on April 1. That seemed quite daring--so limited were my horizons! TBSDY preempted the plan by stumbling on the page in February and FAC'ing it on the spot. Proposing it for the Main page for April 1was first done by several people on that FAC vote, not by any of the contributors. But we were quite happy to go along with the idea, and have been promoting it some. I would love to see it used tomorrow, just *not* for some alternative "Click here for how we might have April fool'd you" Main page. That's what I'm objecting to. Please don't, for that purpose, move it, copy it, link to it, or use it. Bishonen

On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Bishonen wrote: > Please don't, for that purpose, move it, copy it, link to it, or use > it. I'm not sure what to point out - no article ownership or the GFDL. -Snowspinner

Snowspinner wrote on 2005/03/31 22:35: I see what you mean, Snowspinner, I apologize for my poor list skills. I understand that I ought to have repeated passages from the messages I posted earlier today, that addressed these concerns before you voiced them (IMO). I was assuming people would have read and would remember what I'd said, but having followed the traffic for a day, I see that that wasn't very realistic. Sorry, I'm new to mailinglists, I only just joined this one, and I'm a bit out of my depth. Here's what I'd said about ownership and the GFDL in the earlier messages, before making that plea for people to leave ETPH in my userspace: I. April Fool's page]] II. over [Mav helpfully replied that "morally it would be very rude for somebody to use the text in a way you didn't want since it is clearly marked as being in your userspace."] Hope that helps, and thank you Tom Haws for assuming good faith. I'm female, btw. Bishonen

csherlock(a)ljh.com.au wrote: Hang on, isn't the author still the copyright holder? I get the feeling that User space pages are *not* treated as GFDL, but some mix of CC licenses. Many userpages I have seen that say "Thanks to (other user) for the layout of this page". Also, editing another user's User page appears to be seen as vandalism where the 3RR doesn't apply. -- Alphax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' - C. S. Lewis

On Apr 1, 2005 9:54 PM, Richard Holton <richholton(a)gmail.com> wrote: To fix my own typo that may be confusing: the second sentence in the first paragraph should read: "As I understand it, this means that you may still publish the work in another form and give no mention of Wikipedia. -- Rich Holton en.wikipedia:User:Rholton