Though they converge as for reverting :-) the >current version more satisfactory, or maybe because he >grew bored with the article. This is him to say. moved >chunks of text around unilaterally. My debate with him >over "militant Islam" notwithstanding, this is hardly >acceptable practice. Oh Graft, I must respectfully say that it is quite often done a practice, though it is here done in a bolder way that done usually. Everyone, one day or another, is bold to the point of what can be perceived as rudeness. Just today, I did some moving around on the french wikipedia, on this summer heat wave article, that was felt as too bold by one of the author. Us being in good relationship, he gently told me I disturbed him. You also were very bold with me once. I spent many hours writing a - imho - well researched, informative and attributed article. But I did not write everything that was to say on the topic ("always leave something obvious to add..."). You then explained to me on the talk page that while the article was obviously lacking some aspects, I should also *drastically* reduce what I wrote. You also added "I agree the trading issues might be very important for you europeans, and maybe even for us americans, but they are not, by far, the only important factor surrounding GM food." As you say, the trading issues are very important to us Europeans; I would even dare say essential. Kat confirmed it was very important in saying "The trade aspect is a major source of frustration for U.S. farmers who see export markets close to them whether the individual farmer should choose to grow GMO grain or not. A discussion of GM food would be incomplete without it." The fact it was only one factor, and apparently not very important, was only an opinion of *you*. And the fact some of the other factors were missing was not an argument to remove half of my article, but rather for someone to complete the parts missing. If I did it very in-depth, it was because I am aware of the depth of lack of understanding american people have over why europeans had a moratorium. This - imho - required precisions. But anyway, in short, we were two people supporting keeping the article as such. You were alone stating it should not, and saying I should drastically cut in what I wrote for it was not being very important. The next thing I knew, you had amputated the article, and moved the whole part that did not suit you, with no consideration of my own position, with no acknowledgment of who had written the whole bit, and with no fixing both articles properly to introduce the notions covered in the other article. basically, this is called a consensual agreement with the 33% winning the case. This is also "moving chunks of text around unilaterally." Notice, I don't hold bad feelings toward you for having done that, though I was unhappy of that, but again, respectfully, I must insist that boldness happens, and does not necessarily lead to an edit war or asking protection. It is very unfortunate you got in an edit war with hir. I would not hold getting in an edit war with RK as being very...err...well...never mind. As for being listed on problem users, I would not mind that too much if I were you. People who know you are confident you are ok. I hope it did not spoil your best day too much :-) Thought : Aoineko and I often list each other on problematic users on the fr :-) directions >(although there's no discussion But does it give these people point of view on how they perceive themselves, what they think as being said extremists ? Does it describe in which way, the so-said non extremists perceive them as extremists ? Thank you very much for your trust, but I am not currently willing to be called a vandal again :-) You already did a good work. The point is not necessarily "more knowledgable" people, but rather "other knowledgeable" people. Look, I never read any books on islamism, so you probably know more than I on some points. But did your father ever received a letter from one asking for your hand when you were 15 ? :-) Live with it, yes. Retreat, perhaps not :-) Dunno. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l