Note that the statement about Pinkett-Smith I quoted in the previous post
was not sourced to
, but to the West Australian, a Perth
What is sourced to
in the [[New Village Leadership Academy]] article is the statement that the
school principal, Piano Foster, has "Scientology associations". Radar in
turn sources this to what it calls "an official Scientology list". In fact,
this is a private website,
, which since a recent
AE thread is no longer considered a reliable source in Wikipedia. The site
says the woman once did a Scientology course (Basic Study Manual). Sorry for
Here are some other uses of
- Used in the [[Rachel Uchitel]] BLP to state that she was photographed
entering Tiger Woods's room.
- Used in [[Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew]] to state that "On August 31,
RadarOnline reported that Rachel Uchitel, who had been living at a sober
living facility in Malibu, California, left the facility with Dr. Pinsky's
permission in order to visit the World Trade Center site, where her fiance,
James Andrew O'Grady, was killed during the September 11, 2001 attacks."
- Used in [[Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 9)]] to state that "During
rehearsal on September 28, Lacey Schwimmer "severely strained" her hip
flexors and abductors. Her injuries required 3 weeks of physical therapy.
She continued to dance on the show during her treatments."
- Used in the [[Brian Gazer]] BLP, along with primary court sources, to
provide a detailed financial breakdown of Gazer's divorce settlement.
- Used in [[Suleman octuplets]] as a source for stating that the octuplets'
grandmother has complained that "her daughter does not contribute toward
housing or food costs".
- Used in the [[Brittany CoxXx]] BLP to state that 'Borat's producers first
contacted [Stonie's Manager, David Forest] in June 2005, he tells Radar.
"They wanted to find someone who would look 13 or 14 but was actually of
legal age and would do frontal nudity," he recalls. Cortez immediately
sprang to mind, he says, because "he's a small-framed boy but has a large
organ." How large? "About eight inches, and thick."'
We have a policy about not spreading gossip, but I see little evidence that
we adhere to it.
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OK, let's take a case in point: Prem Rawat
Jimbo recently added into the lead "Rawat has often
termed a cult
leader in popular press report, as well as
writings" - stating
"This is, without a doubt, the most important thing
need to know".
The citations he provided for the "popular press" were
Courier-Mail" and "The London Courier-Standard". Now,
neither could be
deemed "expert sources". If we want to label the chap
cultist, we'd want a
neutral academic or some authority. Not the writings
journalists who tend
to recycle, sensationalise, and do little research.
involved in a newstory that's been reported even in
that daily newscycle journalists do piss-poor
fact-checking, and drastic oversimplifications. Having
addition is perfectly true, he's often been termed a
leader" in the
popular press. The question is, is Wikipedia in the
business of reporting
what is "often said" or what is "reliably,
said"? I guess I'm unsure.
The other half of Jimbo's insertion concerns
Again, these sources are perfectly reliable as to
are saying. But they are also highly partisan sources.
sources in this
case are "Bob Larson" and "Ron Rhodes" both
Christians. (NB, the
editor who pointed this out, has since been banned for
Again, "what the critics say" isn't a bad thing to
But perhaps the
labels applied by Larson and Rhodes are given undue
when included so
prominently in the lead.
The effect of this inclusion in the first paragraph,
invite the reader
to conclude "everyone says he's a cultist". That may
true, and "the most
important thing readers need to know" - but is this
we using sources appropriately? Again, I'm unsure.
As the freshly-banned user pointed out on Jimbo's talk
page, Bob Larson is
famous for doing "exorcisms on air":
Have a look, it's good fun. I am not sure if that is in any
way, shape or
form an encyclopedic source though.
Here is another example. The article on "New Village
sources the following statement to this website:
Again, have a look at the site. An encyclopedic source?
This is the statement concerned that we have in our
Cales stated: "Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith, an
have opened this private school as a front for teaching the
L. Ron Hubbard
principles of 'Study Technology, his creation, and the
Scientologists. Our goal is to ultimately have the tax
exemption status of
the Scientology cult end, and the criminal deeds of Church
Miscaviage [sic] be exposed and prosecuted."
Now, Jada Pinkett-Smith is on record as stating that she is
Scientologist. Here is a quote:
Another subject she wants to set straight: persistent
rumors that she and
her husband are Scientologists, like their good friend Tom
emphatically denies it, and she admits she thought it was a
weird religion -
- until she met Cruise. "I'm not saying that I'm not a
I think something's wrong with Scientology -- I want to be
about that," Jada says. But, she adds, "In knowing Tom, I
realize it is a
religion just like other religions. Tom is happy. And he is
one of the
greatest men I know."
Needless to say, Pinkett-Smith was listed for ages in our
Scientologists, along with Chaka Khan, Gloria Gaynor and