Eclecticology wrote: Doing a vanilla Google search is useless because it also searches non-English pages. But I did redo the search only looking at English language pages and I confirmed you results. So what is the problem then? I'm not insisting that we should have an article at [[Francis Joseph of Austria]]. In this case the article, per the Anglicization and Names and Titles conventions, should be at [[Franz Josef of Austria]]. I think the much of the problem that many people have about the Anglicization convention is that they HAVEN'T READ THE DAMN THING IN CONTEXT WITH THE OVERRIDING CONVENTION EXPRESSED IN THE GENERAL STATEMENT. Please do so now; Anglicization convention: Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is almost always used in English. Notice: "...unless the native form is almost always used in English." I am all for making that sound even more permissive (and a better reflection of the current practice I understand and help enforce) to read; "... unless the native form or transliteration is used by English speakers more often than the Anglicized or English translation." General statement: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Notice: "....article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize..." I am also all for making this even more clear to reflect my longstanding interpretation and enforcement criteria: "....article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers at all familiar with the subject would most easily recognize and likely to use...." Notice the addition of: "at all familiar with the subject" (this includes all interested English speaking parties, not just the experts). We should use what most English speakers who are aware of the subject would most easily recognize with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity (with at least a slight preference for English to decide toss-ups). Whether or not that is an English translation, a transliteration, native form or is Anglicized is really immaterial. Like I already said in a previous post, subjects like Mein Kampf, Les Miserables and Sinn Fein should be at these titles because few people would recognize "My Struggle", "Poor Wretches" or "Ourselves Alone" as the correct subjects. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) Payment for this post: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_the_Kid (In progress)