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From: The Mangoe [mailto:the.mangoe@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2007 06:24 AM
To: 'English Wikipedia'
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattackkkkk site link policy
On 7/5/07, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)waterwiki.info> wrote:
Simply saying no doesn't work. The role of
Essjay and how he assumed it is of internal
value to us. We may legitimately engage in research concerning the incident. As a
source for an encyclopedia article, however, it's not acceptable. As to censorship,
we
have always been limited to verifiable information from reliable published sources.
If you insist on trotting out rudely mechanical reiteration of rote
principle, I must equally insist on equally rote application of them.
How do you know where the reporter of a free paper in Vancouver got
his story? The cite doesn't even give a name for the author; the paper
has no online archives that I can see. It's fairly likely that the
paper's source is in fact that very thread. And while I'm at it,
what's your grounds for doubting that the"Daniel Brandt" in that
thread is not the real person?
Perhaps it is better to cite an Officially Published Source-- though I
think "24 Hours Vancouver" is a pretty poor excuse for same. Surely we
can find better. But the claim that Brandt's entries there are so
unreliable as to forbid linkage is specious. And as for "internal
value", there's no distinction between internal value for participants
in Wikipedia and external value to people who want to understand its
processes.They are the same.
No they are not. Why not start a page: [[Wikipedia;Essjay incident]] and do some original
research. I'm curious too. He suddenly appeared on the arbitrator's private
mailing list. He was not an arbitrator. I didn't know who he was. Just how did he
accomplish this. Are we just suckers for what someone says his qualifications and
biography are? His work was never that bad, but always seemed pretty generic. Who promoted
him and why to positions of trust?
As to sources for an article, of course WR was used. Any researcher will use WR archives.
I post on WR myself. His account is him. I've never known them to monkey with their
archives.
Fred