On 5/16/06, Steve Summit <scs(a)eskimo.com> wrote: I wonder if the ratio would have been significantly different if the reason for nomination hadn't been so terrible (the template *isn't* used for censorship, of course). Looking through the "votes" there doesn't seem to be very much intelligent discussion on either side of the issue. I still hate that damn template. At the very least I think most would agree that it is overused. Anthony

On 5/17/06, Anthony DiPierro <wikilegal(a)inbox.org> wrote: You can't hate it until you've read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyone_poops Now you can hate it. Steve

<grin> Point taken. Personally I see it as a reinforcement. Like having a red STOP sign as well as a broad white stripe across the road surface. Then again, this isn't an issue that will have me fighting and debating and voting on talk pages (assuming I was able to do so, ahem). Maybe the real issue is the visibility of the template, and if we toned down the warning to make it less intrusive we could still satisfy everybody. </grin> --Peter in Canberra

On 5/29/06, Timwi &lt;timwi(a)gmx.net&gt; wrote: I just discovered that it's possible to use the "test styles" bookmarklet (http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html) without logging in, though. Hmm, now the trick is how to get that to pop up automatically whenever I go to Wikipedia. Not just for the spoilers, of course: div#spoiler { display:none; } table#toc { display:none; } div#siteNotice { display:none; } are three particularly annoying ones that I can think of off the top of my head. Anthony

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On 5/16/06, Peter Mackay &lt;peter.mackay(a)bigpond.com&gt; wrote: I just looked at [[Romeo and Juliet]], and it's even worse. The spoiler warning comes after only two lines of text, and the first section (where the warning is) is called "Plot", and so it obvious contains details of the plot. Then again, the section entitled "Farce" also contains a spoiler, and doesn't have a warning (I guess once you have one everything below that is fair game?). Anthony

On 5/16/06, Peter Mackay &lt;peter.mackay(a)bigpond.com&gt; wrote: I think part of the annoyance is that the template is so often put in a ridiculous place (such as the two examples I gave where it was in a section which was already obviously about plot). Can I just grit my teeth? Sure. It's what I do when I see something stupid on all those other sites that I *can't* edit. One of the things I like about WP is that if something annoys me I can usually fix it. And I've removed that template from articles lots of times. But yeah, I should get less stressed about things. And when people spell the word "its" with an apostrophe, I shouldn't cringe. And I should stop worrying about whether the term "anal-retentive" should be spelled with or without a hyphen. I doubt I'm going to succeed though. I was quite pleased when I ran across one of my photos on a website outside of Wikipedia. Granted, it was a Wikicities site, but still :). And hey, that photo is awesome (though I couldn't help but wonder whether the statue is a derivative of the original photo and therefore your photo is copyright-tainted - see, this is what I've gotta stop). Anthony

On 5/16/06, Anthony DiPierro &lt;wikilegal(a)inbox.org&gt; wrote: That's just poor use of the template. Whenever I see something like that, I try to move as much non-spoiler text out of the spoiler section as I can.

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