Apparently we need to be a good deal stricter about  hotel entries. Notability we can deal with--the content in them is considerably more difficult to police. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On 6/25/12, Mike  Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote: Wouldn't it be more efficient to direct people to OSM and wikitravel in the first place, rather than use Wikipedia as a staging ground? I know people assume that Wikipedia is the place for everything, but if people are going to get out of that mindset, you need to tell them they were in the wrong place, and not just move stuff for them. Carcharoth

What's wrong with "Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here, so we put it there for you" rather than "Hi, you put stuff here that didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself"?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do that. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

The India related pages are typically being deleted because of the lack of references in the submitted article, and the almost total inability of editors elsewhere to find sources for this area except of a few major newspapers. It is extremely frustrating to find such an article on Proposed Deletion, about someone I can guess is likely to be notable, but where I can find no references to indicate this--if there is no response from the editor who added it, what alternative is there for me to do but delete it? We can potentially vary our notability standards to account for WP:Cultural bias, but I cannot see us abandoning the principle of WP:Verifiability and remaining an encyclopedia. , Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote: carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason?

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote: Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Mike do you realise how big a task that would be? We have stats going back to December 2004 showing millions of such deletions. We have data going back further, but some of our earliest edits are no longer available. Providing we screen out the children releasing personal details, the copyvio and the attack pages then I doubt anyone would mind you having the genuinely non-notable. But that means that each such deleted article would need to be reviewed before giving it to you, and there are millions of them. Worse still only admins can access those deleted edits and though our editing community as a whole is broadly stable, the number of active admins has sharply declined. I would suggest that if you want a freely available source of non-noteable articles you look at our redirects. In particular look for redirects that aren't just a different spelling of the name, and that have had multiple edits. That should get you the articles on songs that have been redirected to the article on a band and of fictional characters that have been redirected to the film they appeared in. You don't need access to deleted revisions and generally they will be closer to notability than "garage band that will be the next big thing on the Stoke Poges grunge scene once they've recruited a drummer". WSC On 3 July 2012 07:34, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Hi Mike, I can't give you access to deleted edits, only the community can do that and they are notoriously picky as to who they appoint as admins. Also it is not a practical task for one person or even a dozen persons. Why don't you start with my suggestion about articles that are now redirects? WSC On 3 July 2012 16:05, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l