On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: Oh, [[Truth]]! One of the articles-which-are-nearly-all-the-time-in-a-state-of-total-complete- insane-edit-war/massive-blather! It's a highly subtle concept, that *everyone* thinks they know a vast amount about, that there are very few clear, uncontroversial facts about. That's enough to make the devil jump with joy at all the craziness that can be created there. I'm sorry you got sucked in, but it's one of the worst tar pits on the wiki! Jesse Weinstein

On 6/23/06, Jon Awbrey <jawbrey(a)att.net> wrote: TELL ME THE TRUTH!!!! (sorry I couldn't resist)

o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o maru dubshinki wrote: the truth is i came to WP to get away from discussion groups, their non-productive going round'n'round the same-old-same-old discursive circles with nobody really listening to each other, in a kind of mass solipsism that is always going nowhere but very noisly, and at first WP was refreshing break from that, as there was always the aim of producing an encycolopedia to focus one's xs energies on. well, it's still possible to find a few places that nobody else cares about, yet, and to work on those isolated gardens of knowledge until the xpressway comes through, bringing the book burners and the brown sock puppets to trample it down into mush. but the problem with that is that the core articles that ought to be in a real encyclopedia are all becoming mush. and dat's da truth ... cheers, anyway, ja o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Jon_Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o

o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o okay, i get it, everything is just hunky dory in wikiparadise. do not let the fact that wikipedia wastes expertise the way a bradley fighting vehicle wastes gas trouble you one teeny bit. don't worry, be happy, ja Steve Bennett wrote: o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Jon_Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o

o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o In a way you are correct, since the things that I have identified so far are only the more superficial symptoms of a condition that I don't think is likely to improve a bit under this regime of defensiveness and denial. Either that, or I'm talking to people who have just been extremely lucky in their own experiences on WikiPedia so far. Or maybe the first attack of the WikiPiranhas and WikiPuppets is just the standard initiation rite of WikiPassage around here, and you're not really interested in the sort of potential contributors who just want off the island after their first encounter with the local Lords of the Flies. It is always possible that some folks just prefer that kind of culture, but it's a culture of waste, and a dynamics like that always eventually catches up, and overtakes you. Jon Awbrey Steve Bennett wrote: o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Jon_Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o

o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o well, i had been planning to go for the guinness book entry for the longest exit interview on record, but then they told me that dubya had a six year head start on me, so i dunno, will just have to play it by ear. ja Sean Barrett wrote: o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Jon_Awbrey o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o