Only on WP. This kind of crap is why I've essentially given up on the site. The man wants an article on HIS OWN WORK to be accurate, and was frustrated by the apparently quite unhelpful people he met there. That's just plain ridiculous, but it's beyond absurd that he would then be called a "bully" for trying to get it fixed when no-one apparently seemed to interested in helping him.
We should show concern when someone in the know shows up and says an article is wrong, and not get territorial, which is what I'm suspecting happened. How about "we're really not happy that the article is wrong, but we need a source we can point to outside of WP for this fact. We can't prove that you're actually who you say you are here. Can you make a statement in a professional blog, or anywhere, almost, where your identity is verified? Since it's about your own thoughts about your own work, that's all we really need." Instead, the admin gave him some WP jargon about how he's not a reliable source, so he took it to the news and complained, as he rightly should, based on the way he was apparently treated.
I'm really, really sick of administrators acting like complete jerks, and not only failing to get admonished in any significant way for it, but people making up excuses for their dickish behavior, and then attacking the victim as a "bully".
And yes, this is somewhat personal for me, in case you hadn't guessed. During a content dispute, an administrator tried to gain the upper hand against me by claiming I'd said off-site that I would intentionally add false information to WP. Considering that kind of deceitful behavior goes against my very personality, I was quite angry that he made an attack like that up, and called the claim out for the lie it was. Can you guess how that ended? I was accused by a number of editors (particularly, but not limited to, his cabal of buddies) of trying to bully the administrator, and they went so far as to attempt to make it part of an RFC against me and others. That was years ago, but nothing ever changes on WP. Same old dickishness, different year.
And people wonder why EN.WP can't keep editors.
Sxeptomaniac
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:00:35 +0200 From: Luca Motoc motoc.luca@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] trying to bully us?
Yes.
2012/9/8 Katie Chan ktc@ktchan.info
Really? An author wanting us to correct inaccuracy on article talking about his inspiration for a book is bullying, trying to dictate Wikipedia content, and is throwing his weight around?
If there's someone throwing their weight around here, look in the mirror Wikipedia editors.
KTC
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On 10 September 2012 17:26, Matthew Jacobs sxeptomaniac@gmail.com wrote:
Only on WP. This kind of crap is why I've essentially given up on the site. The man wants an article on HIS OWN WORK to be accurate, and was frustrated by the apparently quite unhelpful people he met there. That's just plain ridiculous, but it's beyond absurd that he would then be called a "bully" for trying to get it fixed when no-one apparently seemed to interested in helping him.
That is a very poor description of what went on here. Roth could have
called out critics who made misleading statements about his work quite some time ago. He got a direct reply from us.
Charles
on 9/10/12 12:26 PM, Matthew Jacobs at sxeptomaniac@gmail.com wrote:
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I'm really, really sick of administrators acting like complete jerks, and not only failing to get admonished in any significant way for it, but people making up excuses for their dickish behavior, and then attacking the victim as a "bully".
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Sxeptomaniac
This is what happens when give a great deal of power over others to persons who, in their own lives, feel they have little or none. I have been asking for a more mature, objective oversite of this situation for several years now, but have gotten no support with this.
Marc Riddell