For how long could I do this before I get blocked?
Quite a long time, if at all, I'm afraid. You would probably get a
WQA, RFC, and an arbitration case justifying your actions long after
there's any discussion of blocking you. More than likely, you'd be
banned from new page patrolling, and blocked when you don't follow
that ban if it gets to ARBCOM.
How many could I scare away?
Many new people,
and a few oldsters, as well.
When you come across an article wrongly tagged for
speedy deletinon
or prod, do you check up on the user who tagged it?
As a non-admin new page
patroller, I wish more admins did just as you
have suggested above. That way I am more likely to learn from my
mistakes.
Of course an article created a minute ago is being
actively worked on.
That's almost always true, but every so often it isn't.
If the above
isn't true, it's usually made by a school kid, or someone "in the
know" of what's considered to be courteous enough to publish their
article when the article is done.
Yes there is {{Hangon}} but how would a newcomer know
about that,
and why should they?
Is there any way to make it more blatant about what to do when
your
article has been tagged for speedy deletion?
If this is technically difficult then NPP should be
modified.
Yes, this is technically difficult, and it would be technically
difficult for NPP to be anything else than other what it is,
unfortunately. It would be hard for a bot to be accurate in knowing
what is an attack page, and what isn't, what is a copyvio and what is
in the public domain, etc. and to hide any other article for an hour.
I really can't think of any other way NPP could be modified.
Emily
On Sep 18, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Apoc 2400 wrote:
I think most of us on this list treat newbies fairly
well. Now what
about
the people that showed up a few months ago, never contributed much,
and
spend their time biting newbies?
Let's say I register a new account right now. I go to new page
patrol and
start indiscriminately deletion-tagging any article by an
inexperienced
user. If they ask me about it, I reply with an impersonal but
perfectly
polite note referring them to WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:OR and WP:CIV while
ignoring
anything they say. For how long could I do this before I get
blocked? How
many could I scare away?
A question for the admins here: When you come across an article
wrongly
tagged for speedy deletinon or prod, do you check up on the user who
tagged
it? What do you do if their deletion tagging is no more accurate than
picking new articles at random?
This discussion is about biting newbies in general, but I focused on
deletion for personal reasons. I know the rules well, but I have had
to
fight deletions too. Asahi Kasei, one of largest chemical companies
in Japan
was tagged for deletion at least twice. When I am working on an
article I
often discover related subject lacking articles, so I create quick
stubs for
reference and later expansion. Very often they get tagged for
deletion. They
are on perfectly notable subject, so I can save the articles, but I
would
rather spend my time working on the main article.
The issues we discuss in this thread go deep, but here is one change
that
would help a lot:
* Articles should not be tagged for deletion two minutes after
creation for
not asserting notability. Yes there is {{Hangon}} but how would a
newcomer
know about that, and why should they? Of course an article created a
minute
ago is being actively worked on. If it's not time critical (attack
pages,
copyvios) no tagging should happen the first hour. If this is
technically
difficult then NPP should be modified.
/Apoc2400
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