From: Rick <giantsrick13@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Blocking policy

Yep.  The vandals have won.  Guanaco is repeatedly unblocking a vandal who used an offensive term because I didn't give him a warning.  To me, entering the term "faggot" into an article would be sufficient grounds for blocking, but to Guanaco, we're supposed to allow it because it was the first time.  Well, great, how many articles do we need to have the word "faggot" in because it was just the first time?  How many pages do we need to have vandalized because a sysop isn't allowed to do his or her job?

Sorry, but I will continue to do what needs to be done, and I hope, Heph, that you will, too.

RickK

John Robinson <john@freeq.com> wrote:

So let me see if I have this straight.

As long as a user holds strictly to written policy, he/she may cause as much disruption, damage and hell as possible, and community consensus on a matter is secondary to ill-thought-out and often unenforced legalistic jargon.

Does that pretty much sum it up?

-Hephaestos

A Wikipedia administrator needs to be thoroughly familiar with those parts of Wikipedia policy they chose to deploy.  Many of us never block anybody. Those who do need to know what is permitted and what is not. That is laid out on the page [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy]]. What the arbitration committee is trying to do is to craft a remedy for those instances where administrators are making up their own policy, perhaps to some extent in reliance on community consensus but nevertheless expanding their actions beyond those set forth in blocking policy.  Certain parts of that policy are somewhat ambiguous but it is a limited policy which permits blocks only in certain cases. Not in every case where it "feels right" or in every case where "something has to be done".

Fred

From: Rick <giantsrick13@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org>
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Blocking policy

This "rule" requires sysops to have to have all of the policy pages available at hand.  Fine.  Then give me a table of contents.

RickK

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