In a message dated 5/10/2004 9:24:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, david@nohat.net writes:

In the wake of the recent naming policy poll, which was sparked by the
debate on [[Talk:Kiev]] as well as the poll on the New York City talk
page, it cannot be denied that a firm policy needs to be adopted
regarding the naming of articles about places.

Okay, I have a problem with this. The problem is that this is an old debate that is being rehashed. A long time ago, before Nohat or RickK were active on Wikipedia, there was serious discussion and debate about this. I am sure that Mav, Ed Poor, and a few others remember. I wish I could find the debates, but right now I can't.

Now, it could be that the wrong choice won the vote (and there was a vote). On the other hand, we are opening up an old can of worms where consensus had been reached. This in itself is not a problem, so much as the implications are. In 2 years from now, when the current users are mostly gone, a new generation of users might well challenge the new naming convention we decide on now and come up with a new one--or perhaps the old one. It can happen again and again.

When we decided on the naming convention, there may not have been even 50,000 articles on Wikipedia. It happened before Zoe added capitals for all the countries, because she had to redo many of them manually to meet the new standards of the naming convention. Wikipedia is much larger now. Bots aside, we have many times more articles, and we will continue to grow. Reopening this can of worms will only impede real progress. We have a system. Let's stick to it, and we can discuss particular instances of potential exceptions on a case by case basis.

BTW, another example of a convention that was broken and which has exploded again is the East Prussia series of articles. We had worked out (twice) a naming standard (with teh help of JHK), which was ignored by new users who knew nothing about the bitter debates that led to an acceptable compromise.

Essentially, what I am saying is that what newer users might not realize is that certain conventions that they take for granted were decided after a long grueling process. Let's not keep redoing that again and again, any time someone who is not aware of that history joins Wikipedia.