On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:09:28 +0200, Steve Bennett wrote:
"salient" how about "concrete"? The fact that it's a ship is concrete and essential. The fact that it shipwrecked is ancillary.
That is POV. My POV is that Titanic is remembered as a tragic disaster. Now the Titanic _is_ of course a ship and not a disaster, but that has nothing to do with significant, salient, or concrete.
(why do I feel like I'm getting talked into trying to reinvent the field of semantics from scratch)
Alternatively, you can read the pertinent literature and come back with a solid proposal :-P.
And what is more salient about Halle Berry, being a women (or actress, for all I care) _or_ having won a "Worst Actress Razzie"? Well?
I didn't know she had. Woman.
POV. There are billions of women. Only a few people got a Razzie. It's much more remarkable. In my opinion, anyhow.
I'm afraid your "I know it when it see it" approach to identifying taxonomic categories is hopelessly POV.
Not many people are going to deny that Halle is a women, or that Titanic was a ship.
Not many will deny either that the Titanic disaster was one of the most remarkable shipwrecks in history, nor that Halle Berry won a Razzie. What's your point?
What I'm trying to show here is that I don't think I could spot with some certainty what you consider taxonomy in articles we haven't talked about. It seems you really mean everything of type "is a"; "Winners of Golden Raspberries" should really be "won a Golden Raspberry".
The basic "is a" categories I see on Berry's article: actor (including Bond girls, etc., maybe Worst Actress Razzie), model (including Beauty pageant contestants, Versace models, etc.), African-American(?). Of course you could say that occupations are "works as" relationships and everything falls apart.
Halle Berry is primarily an actress. Einstein was primarily a physicist. Ellington was primarily a jazz musician. But I see your point, maybe the taxonomies should stop at "person", and the rest can be attributes.
What does "stopping" entail? I mean, how would WP be different if we did, or didn't stop at person?
Roger