ok, i have looked at the links properly. If you could read the whole post before reply , it would be gratefully appreciated
yes, in my reversion to the previous page , a citation was removed . Given the notes stated it was just a reversion from the one before mine, i was unaware that extra information had been added. One has to ask the question, what about my citation that was delted.
To the second point about the applicability of using the website "z-ionism the real enemy of the jews". I am a little confused. A forum member says it is anti - zionism. I say that it is a historical and factual account of the run up to the creation of israel , not the historical and factual account of the movement of anti - zionism (whatever that is). Another user then says it is a POV. Yet this was a book written by the itv middle east corrospondence of ten years, who spent 5 years documenting and researching this book using factual, referencable material. Someone who had a working relationship with the presidents and gola meir Now if someone says it is pov and i say it is a factual account, how comes my assertion gets used as evidence of banning me indefinately. Shouldn't the question be why is this reference to this book being continuously deleted
Anyhow, the above is really only relevant, in that it highlioghts the subjectiveness of this case.
the real crux of the matter is that i have been banned indefinately (in my first ban -as the ban by thomas harrison was for the same 3rr).
Jaygy has said i broke copy right rules - yet after 10 hours or so he still hasn't produced any evidence of this. It would be extremely unfair for me to have been banned for something a moderator made up . One would have thought that if this was one of the reasons he would have the evidence at hand.
Jaygy also said i did not post any useful posts - this is highly subjective and one has to wonder about the fairness of being banned because of an administrators subjective view my posts were 'useless'.
Jaygy also said i conducted 'attacks' in the talk pages. My statement that some one is a zionist can hardly be in the hall of fame of attacks, especially to merit banning indefinately
Unless Jaygy has been able to produce this evidence of my copy right violations or show you evidence of my profound attacks on others, then it would be extremely unfair and against wikipedia policies to ban me indefinatly.
Thanks once again for taking the time to read my points, your sincerely Saladin
From: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" macgyvermagic@gmail.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:33:36 +0200
You did delete citations, I linked the edits in which you did. And I also linked the edit in which you replaced a perfectly fine source with your link. The 3RR violation is because you keep adding the same link when several people have asked you not to. In such cases, you should engage in discussion, not revert back.
I've asked Jaiyg to comment on the copyvio thing.
Mgm
On 5/19/06, abu hamza abuhamza1970@hotmail.com wrote:
hi MacGyver. I wrote the section. Someone else added a request for citations, and i provided them. I didn't delete any citiations,I deleted the citations an put the references in their place
and for the jews against zionism - there was no reason given why it is
not
a good source other than that it was "propoganda", which is subjective.. The talmudic oaths are part of the talmud and the jews against zionism page referenced just quotes the talmud. Surely this cannot be classified as 'propoganda'.
And if i broke the 3R rule by reverting 3 times and adding something another time, then fine. but surely this carries just a 24 hour ban, not indefinate.
I appreciate that zionism is a 'hot topic', but that surely should mean being as fair as possible to the contributors, not imposing an extremely harsh ban for reasons with little or no substance.
Also Jayjg suggested i had broken copy right rules and used this as one
of
the reasons. I cannot find any examples, perhaps you can have a look.
thanks saladin1970
From: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" macgyvermagic@gmail.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:08:41 +0200
I only did a cursory glance, but what I've seen totally justifies a
block.
Edits like
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
clearly problematic. You remove sources and add a citation needed template in its place or replace existing sources with links to a
website
with obvious POV issues. And a whole section with a scholarly reference turned into a disputed tag.
In
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
you also try to link to http://zionism-realenemyofthejews.com
Multiple people have explained why you can't use this as a source and
in
response you say they vandalise wikipedia when it's you who remove
sources
to get it in.
Your contributions show the following edits: 10:41, 18 May 2006
(histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (rv to previous page.
the
references provide all the information given) 10:06, 18 May 2006
(histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (rv to previous page -
the
three oaths are totally relevant -unless you can come up with a good
reason
it stays) 06:41, 18 May 2006
(histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (added three oaths
section,)
19:26, 17 May 2006
(histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history)
(diff<
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53...
) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (removed pov further
reading
and added a factual reference)
That's 4 reverts in about 15 hours, clearly a 3RR violation. All on the same username, your IP has nothing to do with that. Mgm
On 5/19/06, abu hamza abuhamza1970@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi, my wiki name is saladin1970. I joined just 3 days but find myself
banned.
i was banned by Jayjg . He cited the following reasons
- 3RR rule
- No useful edits
- Copyright violoations
- attacks on talk pages
They all seem very serious. yet when we look into each of the
reasons,
they really have no substance.
- I have two pc's one is shared at work - hence the same ip address
and
editor the othe is my home pc. I only reverted 3 times, as did my collegue
at
work.
- I have made many contributions, including a section on moors in
the
spanish inquisition, additions to the islam in china section,
background
info on harold shipman and contributions to alan harts page and
zionism
page, and turkic.
- There have been NO copyright violations. Every post was
referenced
to
a
website or to a book. All of whom allow references to as part of
their
copyright. So there was NO copy right violation
- there were no personal attacks on talk pages. The worst that
could
be
said was that i called someone a 'zionist'.
Clearly there is something more to this than the above, as these at
best
are minor violations that would carry warnings.
however I contend that this blocking falls under the "not advised to
block
rule".
my posts in the zionism forum have illicited strong responses .
Including
the person that banned me jayjg. These posts included a) a section on the talmudic three oaths - which is the reason
behind
orthodox jews who oppose political zionism. This was reverted many
times
by jayjg amongst others
also i added a further reading section book entitled "zionism the
enemy
of
the jews by alan hart", who was a itv corrospondent during the 80's. His book is well
researched
'historical and political' of the lead up to the creation of israel.
Given that Jayjg was part of this debate, i can see no other reason
for
my
ban (as the reasons given are spurious) other than to eliminate a
user
who
has a different view of zionism.
for this reason i am asking a moderator to look at the material
posted
by
me, and make a fair decisions as to whether i should be banned indefinately thanks saladin
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