I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I
suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re
cultural bias from our lack of sources in certain parts of the world.
My view on this is that this is one area where a little bit of money
judiciously applied could go a long way. There must be large offline
archives of Newspapers, TV and Radio programs and other sources which could
be digitised quite cheaply. If the WMF were to grant fund this in some of
the poorest countries on Earth it would be money well spent.
WSC
On 29 June 2012 19:19, David Goodman <dggenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The India related pages are typically being deleted
because of the
lack of references in the submitted article, and the almost total
inability of editors elsewhere to find sources for this area except
of a few major newspapers. It is extremely frustrating to find such
an article on Proposed Deletion, about someone I can guess is likely
to be notable, but where I can find no references to indicate this--if
there is no response from the editor who added it, what alternative is
there for me to do but delete it? We can potentially vary our
notability standards to account for WP:Cultural bias, but I cannot see
us abandoning the principle of WP:Verifiability and remaining an
encyclopedia.
, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedupont(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Martjn,
yes, that is what I am saying, people are willing to submit trivial
data for the hope of becoming famous,
because WP is now the number one web page, instead of deleting it, I
say, lets process it.
I have been studying the speedy deletion data for the past days,
tuning my program, of course there is a lot of junk in there, but it
seem that something similar is happening with the indian subcontinent,
many pages are just being deleted because why would some actor or
doctor in india or pakistan ever be notable for the western world.
But if you ever wanted to study the culture of that area, such
articles would be useful. If you wanted to encourage editors from that
area, then it is better to thank people for the data instead of
deleting it.
For my work in kosovo, trying to find contributors is very hard and
having a way to collect data for free is great.
Also I am interested in free software and it seems that many free
software program articles are also being deleted, I am happy to have
copies of them.
thanks,
mike
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Martijn Hoekstra
<martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Carcharoth <
carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On 6/25/12, Martijn Hoekstra
<martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What's wrong with "Hi, thanks for your stuff. It didn't belong here,
> so we put it there for you" rather than "Hi, you put stuff here that
> didn't belong here. Bad user. Find an admin that will email your stuff
> for you through a murky procedure, so you can put it there yourself"?
I should have been clearer that if people want to spend their time
doing that, fine. But there are other things on Wikipedia that need
doing more urgently. Trans-wikiiing or moving stuff around is
laudable, but is a sideshow to the core aim of producing and improving
the quality of the online encyclopedia (as opposed to the online
travel guide or hotel guide or whatever). The problem is that this
sort of exhortation tends to fail when a volunteer workforce is
involved. And I am aware that it is possible for different online
freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material
as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core
activities.
Carcharoth
Maybe I'm misreading the thread, but I think that Mike was proposing
to use the wiki for deleted articles he set up to use this information
to move it over to OSM. I was slightly amazed that this seemed to be
received as a bad idea in Carcharoths post. I am not suggesting that
any administrator or editor *should* do this, but it should be
applauded, ot at least shouldn't be discouraged if an editor does do
that.
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