Abu means father of , and my son is called hamza . Is this more muddying the
water that my name is called abu hamza? You just wrote a whole article
complaining about people writing stuff like "is one of the 'British friends'
of the "Israel Center for Social and Economic Progress,". And in the same
breath you write this is saladin (posting here as abu hamza) . Note the
emphasis.
But let us not muddy the water. Currently i am on a ban for over a week,
after having only been here for 3 days. And the ban being my first ban (tom
harrison was for the same 3rr).
So far you have suggested i made copyright violations - can you cite them
please.
you then have suggested i use the wrong references - i was never informed
that references to wikipedia pages or personal home pages are not allowed.
one would in all fairness expect some kind of warning before i was
permanently banned (initially)
In fact just in the last day, i have been accused of being an antisemite by
philip for opposing political zionism. I have been accused of copy right
violations, of making no useful contributions, of using the name abu hamza.
Is it a case of throwing enough mud so that it sticks? There is no basis
for a ban, other than my section on zionism, which is all factual and
undisputable.
"The three talmudic Oaths
The major historical Jewish rabbis, including those in Cordoba recognised
there were preconditions to moving to israel in accordance with the Talmud.
These included the three oaths, that jews would not be unduly persecuted,
that all nations would approve the return from exodus, and that no force was
to be used.threeoaths Because of these conditions millions of Jews exiled
from Europe, Russia since the 9th century have prefered to emmigrate to
neighbouring countries such as Turkey, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Iran.History
of the Jews in Turkey The population of Jews in Palestine at the turn of the
20th century was just tens of thousands.macrohistory Many Orthodox Jews
vehemently oppose the return from exile as they argue the conditions have
not been met. In particular the second oath wherebye just 2/3rds of the UN
general Assembly voted in favour of a recommendation for a two state
solution , and All the neighbouring states opposed the creation.
Historically the vast number of jews have opposed political zionism, based
on these judaic rulings."
From: Sarah <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] blocked for a week for these edits
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:11:40 -0500
On 5/20/06, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote:
If it was reliably established that he was
Jewish, there would be no
problem. Since it isn't reliably established, reporting that he was
Jewish, or that he might be Jewish, constitutes anti-Semitism.
The only reference I've found to Harold Shipman being Jewish is a BBC
news site reporting a comment by [[Abu Hamza al-Masri]], an Islamist
cleric in the UK, who was convicted in February of racial hatred and
incitement to murder. Abu Hamza told the court that the British
Foreign Office and media are controlled by Jews, and part of his
evidence was that, referring to Harold Shipman, "If a doctor kills 250
of his patients there is not a single word about his religion."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4644030.stm
This is the attitude that User:Saladin1970 (posting here as Abu Hamza)
brings to Wikipedia. We see it a lot. A few weeks ago, another user,
User:Jamaissur, created a number of articles about British Jews who
were caught up in a financial scandal. There were other people caught
up in it too, but he didn't create articles about them, only the
Jewish ones, and some of the articles ended up consisting only of the
allegations with practically no other information. When he couldn't
find a source saying they were Jews, he'd add things like "is one of
the 'British friends' of the "Israel Center for Social and Economic
Progress," which made the same point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_Townsley&oldid=44187414
Or that the person was married to someone whose father was Jewish. He
even created an article about the charity [[Jewish care]] because one
of the men caught up in the scandal was a major fundraiser, and for a
while that's all the page said: British charity, looks after Jewish
people, controversial Lord X was a major fundraiser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_Care&oldid=44486804
Even if Harold Shipman was Jewish and there's a good source for it,
there's no reason it should be in the intro. His ethnicity/religion
wasn't in any way relevant to his notabilty.
Sarah
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