David Gerard wrote:
On 14/07/07, phoebe ayers wrote:
To go towards fixing this, we should make
notifying the original author
about deletions mandatory;
The AFD regulars have consistently held this to be far, far too
onerous. I suspect there's some presumption of bad faith in there as
well, because monitoring for crap does produce a bit of a siege
Yeah, having to spend time with such notifications, or investigating the
history of an article detracts from the efficient operation of
deletions. I would take it further than Phoebe to include notices to
all significant contributors to an article. For a silly nomination like
[[Chess strategy]] this would include notices to many established people
who made contributions a long time ago, and have gone on to other things
-- like me who made a few small edits in April and May 2002.
(Remembering that most of what gets deleted really is
We're concerning ourselves on this thread with the false positives.)
That too. And those false positives get more attention than they
deserve. How they handle these borderline cases becomes the basis on
which we judge all the work of the AfD gang. When they exercise poor
judgement or become confrontational over borderline articles people
begin to question their judgement on everything, and even the pure crap
gets more scrutiny.
we should hold
admins to a higher standard in
writing descriptive edit summaries when they delete an article;
I shall try to be more flowery in my deletion summaries.
Be careful of the thorns in that bed of roses.
encourage *all* regular editors to review prods and afds (not just the "afd
I urge all those here who have not done so to go through
[[Special:Newpages]]. Read one day's load of the thing, and remember
that those are the articles that *survived*. THE HORROR. THE HORROR.
Gee thanks!!!!! I just went there and wasted 5 hours.
rewrite the help pages on deletion so it is *really
obvious* what is going on (since that is where normal people get sent, and
the pages are a clusterfuck of contradictory documentation currently);
As far as I can tell, the stage of trying to get one's way on
Wikipedia by playing WikiNomic kicks in between three to nine months
in. Some never get out of it.
AFD has long been the site of WikiNomic trench warfare. We're talking
Belgium early 1918 here.
The [[Battle of Messines]] did a good job on that.
we should seriously consider a proposal like SJ's where articles are shunted
into a "what do we do with this" queue instead of automatically going to
deletion when there are serious concerns.
It is a very nice suggestion. Now to make it fly.
I was encouraged by what happened when there was a common sensible mind
about what to do with the spoiler warnings.