I agree with Steve.
On 5/3/06, Steve Bennett <stevage(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 03/05/06, Brian Salter-Duke <b_duke(a)octa4.net.au> wrote:
1. General jargon of which cruft is just one.
2. Being put to AfD within hours or sometimes minutes of starting the
article. I think this is most offensive. New editors are finding their
way. They are not obsessed with WP. They have a life. They will take
time to develop the article. If someone thinks the article is bad,
make a note of it and follow it for a week or so,
talk to the editor
his talk page and perhaps the article talk page.
It is sheer bad
and certainly biting the newbie to push something
to Afd so quickly.
is no hurry. WP is not going to be perfect
tomorrow if you speedy
a few articles.
3. Comments on Afd like, "looks non-verifiable to me", "seems
non-notable" and other comments that show the nominator has not done
enough homework before jumping to conclusions. I have seen quite a few
AfDs withdrawn recently after the nom realises that the debate is
showing they were quite wrong. Nominating something for deletion has
4. Nominations which are basically "I do not understand this, so lets
see whether people want to delete it". We should want to improve and
keep stuff, noit delete it.
To me, all of this strongly points to the fact that we need an
intermediate step before the voting phase. If I come across an article
that I think should probably be deleted, quite a lot is expected of me
- I have to become "the nominator", effectively leading the campaign
to delete the article, take into account the background of the user
who created it, doing homework on it and so on.
I suggest we should have a simple template along the lines of prod,
which would add a discreet label along the lines of "This topic may
not be suitable for Wikipedia - can someone check it out?" or "There
may be copyright issues in this article - verify please" or whatever.
AfD is a nasty process, and there is no need to subject a well meaning
newbie to it. But there is also a need for experienced editors to
tactfully remove unwelcome articles from Wikipedia. At all costs, save
AfD for the actual disputes where people are already in conflict, and
a vote is really called for.
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